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From: "Nora Yahl" <>
Subject: Re: [YAHL] Roll Call!
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 09:58:47 -0600
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Lil, I think that the information that Marlene Zweibel has documented in her
Yahl Family history is pretty clear about our Martin remaining in Alsace and
that his children continued to correspond with members of her (Marlene's)
family during and after WWII. Because of the copies of these letters
indicate a connection between Leonard, and the original family in Alsace, I
think we can be relatively sure of our line with that respect. Also the
Theresa Borres and Nicholas Yahl in our line, I do not believe ever lived
anywhere else in the U.S. except OHIO. They came directly there from the
ship as his brother was already established and owned property there.
However, I have found in my research on other lines in my family, that
given names are rather key. A particular given name will remain in a
particular line. Such as John and Robert in my totally unrelated line.
Those were the immigrant brothers, but they perpetuated those two names by
each of their many children also naming their grandchildren (children) the
same name. So carrying that bit of information to the Jehl/Gehl/Yahl line
we can see at least the names Martin and Nicholas appearing, which may
indicate that Martin is possibly a first cousin to our Ohio Nicholas or a
nephew. This naming thing I think is almost genetic....as my husband
Maurice(Lawrence, George, Nicholas) had a brother named Leo Nicholas and I
have a grandson Nicholas. There is no way to understand the thinking in
either of these cases, but I know that with my grandson...his mother liked
the name and so did my son, so it had nothing to do with relatives and my
goodness my....certainly not ancestors. All of this aside, however, one can
see certain names in certain branches and if you have very tall trees and
very long branches, you can almost see that pattern continuing.
My point being that with the name similarities, that we just might have
a connection of sorts. Don't give up, on my Stewart line(Dad's line) I have
Hubbards five generations back. On my mother's line about 14 generations
back we have Hubbards in Rhode Island and Dads' are in VT. Now in doing the
research, there is a common parent about 4 generations prior to our
immigrant ancestors. Go figure.
I tend to digress...back to the Yahls of Ohio removed from Alsace. The
names there are a little different. We have a document where the father
signed a land lease with the name Yahl, and the American born son signed it
Gehl. So they must have been interchangeable. Another point is that my
son-in-law spent a year doing church work in Reischfeld. He tells me that
the name Jehl there is like the name Smith or Brown here. So that points to
the need of a lot more perserverance as well as careful documentation.
One more point and that is about Michael Yahl who came into the port of
New Orleans. This could have been our third brother in the Ohio Yahl
scenario or it too might have been a cousin or nephew...or it could have
been a stray. Has anyone on the list ever made contact with any descendant
of this Yahl?
There must have been a common phonetic rule, that caused these people to
do the same changes to the name, no matter where they migrated to. Because
the people in Australia say that their people came from Prussia...not too
far from Alsace and they too changed the Jehl/Gehl to Yahl. Because as we
all know we who use that spelling seldom get called Yale. An exception to
that is when I am frequently in Belleville, IL a town in the Metro East St.
Louis area...I more frequently hear people pronouncing it correctly. It is
a dominantly German community. B-u-t we are talking about several
generations removed from the German speaking people. So what is the answer
to this puzzle question?
I think the key is documentation, documentation, documentation! Nora
in St. Louis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michelle Robinson" <>
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Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 7:13 AM
Subject: Fwd: [YAHL] Roll Call!


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> Lil sent this to me....I'm forwarding it in case anyone can answer some of
> these or connect to them. I'm heading off to work, and I'll send more
> later.
>
> Michelle
>
>
>
> >From:
> >To:
> >Subject: Fwd: [YAHL] Roll Call!
> >Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 03:04:45 EST
> >
> >Hi Michelle...good to have all of us together and see if we can break
down
> >some of the brick walls.
> >
> >Yes I would love to read the letters so post them. Thanks thanks
thanks!!!
> >
> >My connection to the Jehl family:
> > Martin Jehl/ Katharina "Katie the younger" Martinthal
> > Quartermus/Jehl
> > My dad Quartermus
> > then I came along
> >
> >Here is the information that I have regarding my great grandfather,
Martin
> >Jehl of Alsace. It is spelled J E H L as he signed a will with that
> >spelling.
> >Also my grandmother said that her father, Martin, told her that other
Jehl
> >families (within this family) spelled their name with a G - Gehl. One of
> >my
> >uncles who moved to California changed his J to G. So this leaves an open
> >discussion as to what other spellings we have for this particular family
> >before they came to America.
> >
> > 1. Martin (b: 1838 of Alsace) came to America in the year of 1866
> >as
> >indicated
> > in 1900 Arkansas Census.
> >
> > 2. Martin resided in Memphis for a while. He married Katharina
> >"Katie"
> >(the
> > younger) Martinthal of Brazil. Her mother was "Katie" also so
I
> >call her "Katie
> > the elder" to lessen confusion between the two of them.
> >
> > 3. a) By the way, Katie had a sister named "Lena" who was
> >supposedly
> > married to a Nicolas Jehl. I have platt copies of the
> >property
> >that they
> > owned in Memphis. It was the Jehl Street...the name of
the
> >street still
> > exists today.
> >
> > b) Since some of us found Theresa and Thecla that married to
> >Nicolas and
> > now the question is who were Lena and Nicolas Jehl?
> >
> > 3. Now we have three different names of women who married to a
> >Nicolas.
> > a. Lena Martinthal
> > b. Thecla Schonz - was she also called Lena?
> > c. Theresa Borres
> > So which one did reside in Memphis while Martin and his family
> >were
> >there?
> >
> > 4. Does anyone have a copy of document(s) to show who Lena was.
The
> >one
> > that had the property with Nicolas on Jehl Street?
> >
> > 5. Nicolas' and Lena's had their son, Edward and Agnes Jehl's
names
> >on
> >the
> > deeds (1903 and 1915) which led me to believe that they were
> >related to
> > Martin Jehl as they were godfathers to Martin's children.
> >
> > 6. I have several copies of Martin's children's baptism
> >certificates
> >from St Mary's
> > Church of Memphis. One of them showed (1873) Nicolas Jehl as
a
> >godfather
> > to Elizabeth Jehl (my great aunt) and Thecla Schonz as the
> >godmother.
> > Edward Jehl as a godfather to another child, Martin Edward
> >Jehl.
> >Mary
> > Albrecht was the godmother. I do not know who Mary was. There
> >was
> > another Albrecht (Anthony) who was godfather to
Martin/Katie's
> >oldest child,
> > Catharina and there was no mention of godmother.
> >
> > 7. We have some information regarding Martin, Nicolas, and Edward
> >being
> > in Memphis. Now the question is how were they related to each
> >other????
> > We could say they were brothers but like all of us.. we want
> >documents
> > showing the relationship between them before making such
> >confirmation.
> >
> > 8. Nicolas' wife, "Lena" could be Magadelena. Her last name was
> >Martinthal. I
> > have information as to where she and her family came from. It
> >was
> >Brazil. I
> > have a 1900 Arkansas soundex card showing Martin with his
> >family,
> >his
> > wife, Katie (the younger) and two other children. Now Lena
was
> >not
> > mentioned here so evidently she remained in Memphis. Lena's
> >father
> >Franz
> > "Fred" Josef Martinthal resided in Memphis til his death in
> >1900
> >and was
> > buried at the Elmwood Cemetery. Franz and Katie the elder had
a
> >son, Fred
> > Jr but he died as a child and is buried at the same cemetery.
> >
> >
> > 9. Nicolas and Edouard Jehl showed up in the Memphis City
directory
> >between
> > 1877 and 1878. There were others but I do not have the
> >information
> >about
> > them in my family history.
> >
> > 10. I am aware that there was and still is a whole bunch of Jehl
> >families in
> > Memphis. I contacted a Louis Jehl, a Vice President of
Perkins
> >Restaurant
> > in Memphis and he said he knew nothing about the lineage but
> >would
> >send
> > letter to his father. Have not heard from him yet.
> >
> > 11. Most of the Jehls were buried at the Elmwood Cemetery on
Dudley
> >Street in
> > Memphis. I am not familiar with the most recent cemeteries
> >that
> >possibly
> > have some of them there.
> >
> > 12. I have a cousin in Arkansas who will go down and check some of
> >the
> > cemeteries for me in Hot Springs. I know my Martin and his
> >wife
> >were buried
> > there. There are two other burial sites in the same
cemetery
> >that I missed
> > the last time I was there (grrrrrrr). But hopefully she will
> >be
> >able to get some
> > more information for me.
> >
> > 13. One last thought...as you said that Nicolas, Philip, Martin,
and
> >Michael were
> > brothers. Martin was the only one that stayed in Alsace. Are
> >we
> >talking
> > about the same Martin? Or we have another Martin from a
> >different
> >branch?
> >
> >
> >I have contacted a cousin in France and he was not able to track down my
> >Martin. I also corresponded with another one (M. Dawson) in Texas. They
> >both
> >confirmed me that they could not locate him anywhere. And the story goes
> >on
> >that no one seem to know that they lived in Memphis and Arkansas (Hot
> >Springs).
> >
> >Any help given will be GREATLY appreciated.
> >
> >Lil Quartermus
> >
>
>
>
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> Nora,
> Yes, I did connect with Marlene and am in possession of many letters sent
from family of Martin's (in Alsace) to family of Nicholas' (in Ohio). I
will write you later Nora and see if I can send some to you via email (I
need to get ready for work). If anyone else is interested, I can post them
via the list. Everyone let me know if you would be interested.
> Michelle
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Nora Yahl
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 11:31 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [YAHL] Roll Call!
>
> Hi Michelle. Did you ever make contact with Marlene in St. Mary's Ohio
and
> get a copy of the family book? It has a number of records in it with
regard
> to the family. Uncle Leonard (I think) went back to the old country in
the
> 1920's? to visit and there a number of letters from the cousins there.
> Maybe we could have a meeting and you could look at the "book" here. And
I
> wonder about the Michael Yahl that came into the Port of New Orleans.
There
> are others who believe he connects with their branch of Jehl's. Nothing
> documented however. Many of the documents in the "book" spell the name
> Gehl.
> You can write me off- list and get together.
> Nora Yahl in St. Louis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michelle Robinson" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:47 PM
> Subject: [YAHL] Roll Call!
>
>
> > Greetings everyone!
> >
> > This list is about....hmmm....a month old now. We now eight members!
> It's definitely a start. I would like to begin by asking for a roll call.
> This list is for variations of Yahl/Gehl/Jehl plus others. Please feel
free
> to post your
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