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From: "Kenneth Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: [yDNAhgI] Fw: Z60 and I1 Z58+
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:24:24 -0700


Those Z139+ as well should probably not rush out to do Z60; A couple folks
(including myself) Z139+ have already done Z59 and were found Z59-; Z59 is
supposed to be between Z58 and Z60 on a branch parallel to the branch going
to Z139/Z138.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kenneth Nordtvedt
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:13 PM
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Subject: Fw: [yDNAhgI] Z60 and I1 Z58+




FTDNA is dribbling out the Z series snps for I1xL22 at a snail’s pace. I
don’t know why....?

Who should do Z60? It is downstream of Z58 and Z59. Z58+ folks are showing
up both Z140+ and Z140- Both initially should do Z60.
Z140 is placed even further downstream from Z60

If you did Z59, it is between Z58 and Z60 on the y tree according to 1000
Genomes. So advice would be the same. Do Z60.

If you are Z63+ and/or Z58- I would say doing Z60 is much lower priority and
a long shot to being anything but ancestral (negative).

But 1000 Genomes 15 dna samples or so and the I1xL22 tree they built from
those samples has been off the mark as well as on the mark. Those limited
samples missed the very large clades which have turned out negative for all
three entry level snps --- Z58, Z63, Z131. The Z58- Z63- Z131- population
takes in a number of solid clades. And although 1000 Genomes claims they
had a couple Z131+ among their samples, testing for Z131 at FTDNA has turned
up none yet.

A number of other snps for I1 have not been put into the FTDNA catalog ---
DF29, Z73, Z141 seem most significant ones to me, but there are also z61 and
z62.

So we wait.

See “Tree for I1” at http://knordtvedt.home.bresnan.net for my latest
interpretation of the Z series results known up to today and the
relationships to the earlier identified clades.

Ken


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