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From: "Michael McAllister" <>
Subject: Re: [WAR] Mid 18th century brickwalls
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 10:54:00 +0100
I presume you have used the different spellings for your ORTONs, I have
transcibed many PRs from the Tamworth area, which is close to the places you
mention, and I have come across several different spelloings for the name
ORTON, the HORTON, HAUGHTON, AUGHTON, OUGHTON, then those also can end in
'en' 'in', 'un, also 'em', etc.
On the 1841 census ages, these were usually rounded up or down to the
nearest 5-years, so your William could have been 52/3 and Hannah could have
been 62/3, so possibly not so much of a gap after all.
Hope this has helped a little,
Regards, Michael McAllister
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From: "drhorton" <>
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2007 3:27 AM
Subject: [WAR] Mid 18th century brickwalls
> Interesting discussion on mid-eighteenth century brickwalls. My
> brickwalls tend to come between about 1790-1810. I assume this is because
> the big movements of people in response to the industrial revolution began
> around this time. I have this vague hope that if I can get back before
> 1790 I would find my people quietly sitting in a single village for a few
> hundred years. But now people are telling me there may be a further brick
> wall waiting for me before I reach that blissfull state. The whole
> discussion reminded me to check with all you nice people to see if anyone
> has yet, by chance, stumbled across my Ortons from this period.
> Somewhere a William Orton married a Hannah someone presumably 1810-1812.
> This didn't happen in Baddesley Ensor where their first child Joseph was
> born in 1813 (according to later census info) and later children were
> born, or Austrey where second child James was born in 1815 (the only IGI
> marriage from this period and location is William Orton marrying Ann
> Haywood in Shuttington, but this is clearly a different family). The
> family in general has links, in addition to BE and Austrey, to Grendon,
> and probably Dordon and Polesworth.
> The 1841 census possibly has them in Dordon as William Orton, 50,,Coal
> Miner,WAR, and Hannah Orton,,65, ,WAR, implying a big age difference
> between husband and wife, with births respectively (and approximately) in
> 1791 and 1776, and both in Warwickshire. There is a William Orton born in
> Grendon (ch 25 October 1789) with parents whose names (John and Rachel)
> match some later links to the family (especially Rachel who seems to have
> lived forever), and siblings (including a Charles who also turns up later
> with mother Rachel) born in Baddesley Ensor. But while there is reasonable
> circumstantial evidence that this is my William I really need his marriage
> to Hannah to jump this brickwall. Can anyone help, please.
> About to have another birthday without following the Ortons into the
> eighteenth century, and beyond to where no man has dared to go before!
> Thank you in advance
> David HOrton