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From: "R.Black" <>
Subject: Re: [VAWISE] Bates
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 08:53:44 -0700


I just wanted to say how great it is to see all the common names being
mentioned.. for those of us out West reading your postings puts us a little
closer to home especially when you start putting stories to the names
mentioned...

God bless,

Ron in WA... descendant of Holbrook, Sturgill, Church, Maggard, Caudill,
Short, Baker, Mullins,Stewart, Ramey, Fleming, Standifer, Adams,Baker, Hays
and to many others to list to include tons of Webb, Sparks and Issac
cousins.
-----Original Message-----
From: Gloria Marcum <>
To: <>
Date: Sunday, July 23, 2000 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: [VAWISE] Bates


>Cheryl,
> Thanks for the information a few of the dates I didn't have. Benjamin
>was the s/o William Bates and Rosanna Mullins. I can find lots of
>information on his brothers, but only his name in the census records before
>his marriage. The Mariah Allis(Alice) Ramey that he married was d/o Daniel
>Ramey + Dicy Catherine Hall from Wise, Va. Ben and Alice have a marriage
>date listed in Wise as 11-9-1888 and they are both listed as residents at
>that time. Someone checked and they are not listed in the 1900 Wise Va
>census( no one has come up with an answer as to their whereabouts after
they
>married) it's like they tried not to be found. I have been told that Alice
>was Indian or melungeon, I don't know if this had anything to do with the
>mystery or not. I have been told by several people that a picture of Alice
>exists in Letcher or Knott County owned by some Isaacs, but I can't locate
>it. I did find one lady I believe her name is Lonnie Isaacs that has a
>picture of someone in Alice's family(her or parents) but she wouldn't let
me
>take a snapshot of it with my camera. I called her and she said she didn't
>think that she could allow me to do that. I have two different versions of
>why Ben was shot. 1. He was shot because he stole a cow. 2. He was shot
by
>a man that was renting from him and was taking down the fence around his
>property. ( This was to have taken place in Wise) When he confronted the
man
>they argued, Ben hit him with a piece of the fence, the man shot him.
Ben's
>oldest son Joe Bates, I was told was the first to reach his father after he
>was shot. Joe's wife Cordia is still living in Knott County age 98. I
>talked to her, but got very few answers. The whole situation is just a
>mystery and I have yet to find a concrete fact. Gloria
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Cheryl Strange-Laetsch <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 10:21 PM
>Subject: RE: [VAWISE] Bates
>
>
>> Gloria,
>>
>> I have the 1870 Annotated Letcher Co. KY Census published by the Letcher
>> Co. Historical Soc. On page 57:
>> #107 Bates, Elizabeth (Adams), 46, f, KY d/o Benjamin Adams & Nancy
>> Holbrooks, md. 2-26.1843, Let, James Bates, s/o John W. Bates & Sarah
>> Waldrop, James was murdered 1864
>> Letty, 19, f, KY, md, 4-12-1872, Let, William Wright
>> John W., 17, m, KY, b. 11-23-1852
>> Martha, 15, f, KY, b, 1-19-1855
>> Jincy, 13,f, KY, md. 10-30-1874, Let, Nelson R. Webb
>> Margaret, 10, f, KY, d. 1874
>> James, 7, m, KY
>>
>> You list below that it was Benjamin Bates who was murdered. But, I
>thought
>> it interesting that a James Bates (son-in-law of *Benjamin* Adams), is
>> shown here as murdered. I don't know the story behind it. I was just
>> looking through the book tonight, and I thought about your earlier query.
>>
>> Just thought it was an interesting coincidence.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Cheryl Strange-Laetsch
>> Researching: HALL, PERRY, MULLINS, & STRANGE in SE KY, SW VA, & WV
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gloria Marcum [mailto:]
>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 8:06 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: [VAWISE] Bates
>>
>>
>> Hi to all,
>> I have searched for months and I really need help. My
>> great-grandfather Benjamin Bates was supposedly killed in Wise, Va.
either
>> in 1909 or 1910. I have searched for months now and can't find a record
>to
>> verify the date or the event. He was I have been told shot by someone,
>but
>> I don't know the details. His widow shows up in 1910 in Knott Co. Ky in
>> the census as widow age 42 with children. I have tried to find
>information
>> about old newspapers or something that would tell about this. Can anyone
>> help me with this mystery. Is Benjamin Bates listed in the 1900 Wise
>> County census? I could really use some help. Gloria
>>
>>

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