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From: "Sharilyn" <>
Subject: [VE] Fw: [D-Col] Van Iverens from Norway?
Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:21:33 -0800


I believe that Mr. Christoph is describing in the following, with a great
deal of tact and diplomacy, the way the information on the Colonial Albany
site directed by Stefan Bielinski is gathered, without actually saying that
his long time friend was in error to have posted the information about
Myndert and Carsten Frederickse having been born in Norway.

Mr. Christoph's opinion about the origins of Myndert and Carsten
Frederickse, that is, that they were from Jever, in "East Friesland, a mixed
area of Germany and Frisians" is on record.

Unless Mr. Bielinski has some totally unknown piece of evidence proving his
assertion about Norway, I would hope that at some point in the not too
distant future those Colonial Albany biographies will be corrected.

His is a very interesting site, and the format is clever. Mr. Bielinski
has a lot of area to cover, and I wish him the best with his project.

Regards,

Sharilyn


----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Christoph" <>
To: <>
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [D-Col] Van Iverens from Norway?


> There has been some question about information on the website of the
> Colonial Albany Social History Project directed by Stefan Bielinski, who I
> have known for more than 30 years.
>
> The information is taken from a great many sources. I am not acquainted
with
> the policy of selection in recent years, but for many years the
information
> was taken from any sort of source that had data relating to colonial
Albany,
> without evaluating the accuracy of the information or reliability of the
> source. This sort of approach allows us to see all the available opinions
of
> writers, but does leave it to us to evaluate what we are being offered.
This
> way of doing things is also possibly the necessary way to go at a great
mass
> of information, which was recorded by an ever-changing staff of college
> students, part-timers, and anyone else willing to work for a few dollars
an
> hour. Other than a secretary, Mr. Bielinski is the entire permanent staff.
> Or at least that was the situation when I last had contact with the
project.
>
> In short, the project's website is a tool, but one to be used with care.
As
> is true of any resource, including even original documents signed by the
> governor, the mayor, and a passel of clergymen.
>
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sharilyn" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:25 PM
> Subject: [D-Col] Van Iverens from Norway?
>
>
> > In my notes for this family I have remarks from our own Peter Christoph:
> >
> > Spring 2000, issue of de Halve Maen, Journal of The Holland Society of
New
> York.
> >
> > There is a very interesting article by Peter R. Christoph, "Albany's
> Colonial Lutherans: Ecumenism, and Conflict among the Churches. Page 11
has
> a very interesting paragraph, which in part reads; --"Lutheran-Reformed
> Relations. About half of the people in the colony were neither Dutch nor
> Reformed, many of them former immigrants to the Netherlands who had not
made
> a success there and had come to New Netherlands to try again. Included
among
> them were a number of Lutherans. Those in Albany came from many places.
For
> instances, Albert Andriessen Bradt came from Norway. From East Friesland,
a
> mixed area of Germany and Frisians, came Jan Hendricksen van Salsbergen,
> Tjerck Claessen de Witt, Helmer Otten, and the brothers Myndert and
Carsten
> Fredericks------"
> >
> > I now rest easily in my belief that this is indeed where they were from.
> >
> > Sharilyn
> >
> >
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