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Subject: Re: [UPTEGROVE] Eliza Upthegrove
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2011 19:03:05 -0000
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William, also see our cousin joanne post. she has since passed away. I am teaching in new mexico on the navajo reservation at present. check the canadian muster rolls for upthegroves under sir william johnson: johnson( coy )peter upthegrove fought with the indians under sir william listed with all the privates I belief and was called captain upthegrove,later on, and listed with the catabaws[oganicchhies}sp down south as a prisoner of war, PROW peter upthegrove, back then. i googled it under indian names and it came up. not unusual for the under chiefs to be called captain.. when they lead a group of indians into war, some oneidas and senecas got stuck down south during a peace negotation that went bad, they came back up later and broought family with them,, to six naitons canada, there are several indian relatives from canada to florida. the florida upthegrove brothers picture on line, are related to us some where but not sure where the brothers look like sylvester and sev!
eral of the other boys, some dark, some lighter. On the civil war records sylvster upthegrove is listed as dark complected with grey eyes. most of the brothers are listed as upthegrove. however, a handwritten mistake make sylvester uptegrove for the remaider of the war.. even the grave stone. and elizas pension papers had to be signed that way once the mistake was made they would not change it. william upthegrove and Laban his brothers are listed as upthegrove on their records.. same family, nunda, grove, new york, I believe it is your Kath, is name after the earlier kath that put up a fuss when the white man she married died in a farming accident, and they moved her and the kids off the land.. she married him to stay on the seneca land near grove, and the marshalls came and put them off, all their stuff into a wagon, one on the sons died in that fight.. just family oral history,only mary jemison who lived with the seneca was allowed to keep her land at gardeau flats. s!
he let some of our family live there, and some married settlers to sta
y in the area, I have often visited that area and I can see why they did not want to leave when robert Morris and others bought it out from under the seneca. however, i did check farming records for the area the "the grange", found some fo our fanily still in the farming there up to the 1900s in grove and surrounding area. Unfortunately i am wtill working full time, and not able to do much more research due to no child left behind, or as we refer to it as no teacher left standing. we hardly have time for the bathroom, to much paper work and we are paying large companies to do data for us that they turn around and make the teacher find and make graphs with and we just dont have that kind of time in a day... since we are already paying for the data, the big companies making the money should print and give to teachers so we would have more time to break it down use to make lesson plans with for our class and individual help for students.. the whole thing is a money maker for t!
he data companies.. be well and do keep up the search for conection of the elusive indian chief peter of the grove close as I get is an oneida married to a seneca. before peter and ann irish. 1850 census. ther where 3 different peters, Peter , young peter, and (peter thomas) which is sylvester thomas upthegrove. Peter thomas was born in canada on the way to six nations after the revolutionary war, john thomas upthegove, and Ann obal, obram, obel.obeel. that women ann obram or obal is the cornplanter connection. if you have time work from there. see what you can find about the cornplanter family, he was a seneca chief.mother sencea and some say the father was Dutch some say Irish, would have to be his sister or daugther for that time period, paper work is hard to find and they dont really want anymore indians... so contacting the tribe is usually a died end. no pun intended. however, the LDS church has rolls for the seneca. you will find and eliza silverheels and some hutc!
hinsons listed on the allegany cattaragus rolls.
onegawaheh, your gggcousin.
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