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From: "Ian Mitchell Lambert" <>
Subject: Re: [UPJOHN] New Member Interests
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:56:01 +0100
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Dear Simon,

"I have been uncomfortable with the idea of John Upjohn
> marrying sisters as this was technically illegal at the time (I think, in
> fact, until the earlier part of this century)."

Yes, that is correct. The law was changed in 1893 because of the death of
Prince Arthur, Duke of Clarence in 1892. He was heir to the then Prince of
Wales (Edward VII) and Princess Mary was his fiancee. She had been prepared
as the future Queen and basically her training was going to waste! The law
was changed, and in 1894 Mary was engaged to Arthur's brother, George. They
became George V and Queen Mary!
As a sideline, there is a Jack the Ripper conspiracy theory that surfaces
from time to time that Prince Arthur was Jack, and his position protected
him. Sounds a bit like Diana, doesn't it?

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon Carter" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [UPJOHN] New Member Interests


> Bob,
> Thanks for this. I have been uncomfortable with the idea of John Upjohn
> marrying sisters as this was technically illegal at the time (I think, in
> fact, until the earlier part of this century).

Yes, that is correct. The law was changed in 1893 because of the death of
Prince Arthur, Duke of Clarence in 1892. He was heir to the then Prince of
Wales (Edward VII) and Princess Mary was his fiancee. She had been prepared
as the future Queen and basically her training was going to waste! The law
was changed, and in 1894 Mary was engaged to Arthur's brother, George. They
became George V and Queen Mary!
As a sideline, there is a Jack the Ripper conspiracy theory that surfaces
from time to time that Prince Arthur was Jack, and his position protected
him. Sounds a bit like Diana, doesn't it?

I had some references to
> Richard Whittingham and the other siblings, but did not know Maria's
> mother's name nor any details of Charlotte. This is excellent.
> The trouble with the whole business is the number of co-incidences:
> surnames, birthdays (or baptisms?), etc. I shall follow this up.
>
> The census entry from Louise relates to my side, Mary Ann FARR being my GG
> Grandmother who married John WOOD (also a clockmaker) and in turn the son
of
> William Henry WOOD and Hannah Charlotte UPJOHN (the youngest daughter of
> William UPJOHN, the younger). I'll put together some details later in the
> week (John Bennett was enquiring about this link as well). There is a
> difference of one generation for me back to William UPJOHN (the elder)
> depending on which route you take!
>
> Simon Carter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [UPJOHN] New Member Interests
>
>
> > Hi Simon,
> >
> > I have a little more on Maria Whittingham and Charlotte Whittingham.
They
> were two diffferent people from two different families. I am a little
> suspicious oof the exactness of birthdates but the familiy and location
info
> appear reasonable and match a couple of sources and I have seen odder
> coincidences!
> >
> > Charlotte Whittingham was the daughter of William Whittingham and his
wife
> Sarah and was born 29-MAR-1777 in East Mailing, Ken, Eng along with her
twin
> sister Elizabeth. She died 29-SEP somewhere between 1797 and 1799.
> >
> > Maria Whittingham was the daughter of Richard Whittingham and Elizabeth
> Watkins. She too is listed as being born 29-MAR-1777 but in Finsbury,
London
> England. Had sisters Sophia and Sarah and brother Richard. Died 12 Dec
1855
> in Southampton, SSX, ENG
> >
> > The following census record was found by Louise Staley
> and her info is posted at
> http://www.gencircles.com/users/lstaley
> >
> > Census Entry
> > Head: UPJOHN, Maria
> > Name Relation Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace
> > Charlotte FARR Daur W 50 F Landed Proprietor London-MID
> > Catherine UPJOHN Daur U 36 F --- Exeter-DEV
> > Catherine FARR GDau U 23 F --- Bridgwater-SOM
> > Mary Ann FARR GDau U 21 F Governess Exeter-DEV
> > Address: 9 Colleton Terrice Holloway Street, ---
> > Census Place: Exeter Holy Trinity Exeter, Devonshire
> > PRO Reference: HO/107/1868 Folio: 500 Page: 28 FHL Film:
> > 0221016
> >
> > Hope that helps Simon!
> >
> > Bob Hunter
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Bennett
> > To:
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 3:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [UPJOHN] New Member Interests
> >
> >
> > Hi Simon
> >
> >
> > Welcome to the list! (And further to recent personal Emails):
> >
> > In article <001901c0f729$70d1eea0$>, Simon Carter
> > <> writes
> > >Hello - new member posting interests.
> > >John UPJOHN (1771-1848), clockmaker of Exeter was my GGGG
Grandfather,
> > >through his eldest daughter Charlotte Rouse Elizabeth UPJOHN and her
> > >marriage to George FARR (of Bristol, silversmith & clockmaker).
> > >Through a second loop, William UPJOHN (the Younger, 1754-1812) was
> another
> > >GGGG Grandfather through his youngest daughter, Hannah Charlotte
UPJOHN
> and
> > >her marriage to William Henry WOOD (of Southwark, clockmaker).
> >
> > Could you elaborate on this (I'm a little confused;-)?
> > >
> > >Info available on Exeter/London Clockmakers, relationships to ROUSE,
> WOOD &
> > >FARR families (copy of Richard Light's Upjohn book available for
> lookups).
> > >
> > >Info sought on same to fill gaps, particularly any insight into John
> > >UPJOHN's marriage(s) to Charlotte/Maria WHITTINGHAM (1796/9). Were
they
> two
> > >people (sisters, as suggested by Richard Light) or the same girl? Any
> info
> > >on WHITTINGHAMs gratefully received.
> > >
> > I think they were probably 2 different women, most likely sisters?
But
> > I have no evidence and know nothing at all about the Whittinghams.
> >
> > In the family bible I have in my possession, given by John Upjohn to
his
> > son Robert Whittingham Upjohn (my 2nd Gt Grandfather) it states that
at
> > his death John Upjohn left 9 children - 5 sons and 4 daughters. He's
> > supposed to have had 10 children with Maria Whittingham, but one,
> > Charity Hill Upjohn, died tragically in a fire at the age of 3.
> >
> > However, the 2 sons we know about from his alleged 1st marriage to
> > Charlotte Whittingham did not survive him (they both died aged about
40)
> > so also wouldn't have been included in our Bible anyway. They both
had
> > offspring but whether any of them had children I don't know either.
> >
> > Your 3rd Gt Grandmother, Charlotte (according to Richard Light's
> > research) was the 1st child of John and Maria and she could have been
> > named in memory of John's first wife (Maria's sister)?
> >
> > It's an interesting point and I would like to hear any other theories
or
> > information about the Whittingham family?
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards John
> > --
> > John Bennett (3rd Gt Grandson of John Upjohn, Exeter b.1771)
> > CHEDDAR,
> > Somerset, UK Mailto:
> >
> > My "Upjohn" Genealogy pages can be found at:
> > http://www.upjohn.org.uk
> >
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