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From: "Kenneth Tyner" <>
Subject: Re: Update on Tyner DNA Project
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:33:56 -0800
Hello Mike, Our Tyner DNA project Administrator is off doing Homeland Security Stuff, so I'll reply in his stead. Here is the DNA website for the Tiner/Tyner project. This includes the application and details: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=V64351&special=True<http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=V64351&special=True>
I notice that Edmund Tyner and wife Lucinda are in the 1860 census for McDonald Co Mo. along with their six children, The census indicates that Edmund was born Tennessee. I did not find any further census listings for Edmund and Lucinda, however theY are in the 1850 census for Mc Donald Co as Edward and Lucinda Tyner, so as you can see the name changes from census to census, probably a result of the literacy of the folks being censed or the interpretation of the census taker. This was not uncommon and was done several times to my own family. I also see that the descendents moved on to Texas and Oklahoma and I presume those are your ancestors. Also based on naming conventions and proximity of the families in Missouri, I suspect Lucinda was a Blevins, but I could be wrong. Regarding your question about tracing your roots beyond 1850, thus far we have six results and 3 different Tyner family groups with several more pending. We are most anxious to get a known Nichola!
s tyner descendent of other than Sarah and John Harris and some Canadian Tyner's as well. We certainly would welcome your DNA test results and you may fit in now or perhaps later and further know your ancestry. Good luck and keep in touch
Also listed below is what Bill Tyner had recently posted to the Tyner list and Tyner genealogy forum:
Regards, Ken Tyner
As you may know, some Tyners have already found results from their DNA submissions. There are several proprietors offering this service however most of us have used the largest and most popular. As the first male Tyner participant, I also volunteered to be an ad hoc administrator for us Tyner/Tiner participants. I get the results along with you and attempt to smooth out problems, provide contacts, make sure everyone gets all the information and leads that are made available from the process (their moneys worth).
To this end, I invite other male Tyners who are not known members of the current Tyner Project membership to participate. If you are a known family member to one of the current participants, your money would be wasted on a test. Your results must be the same as the relative who has already tested.
Here is a copy I have pasted from the Tyner Project Introduction, an intro for people who want to find out more. A member of this forum has provided input that I have gratefully added to the intro:
We are looking for as many Tyner/Tiner males as possible who share in our desire to link up isolated clans that have common ancestry. Are the Ohio, New York, Canadian, Texas, North Carolina, Indiana Tyners related? From one Tyner Project participant (Ken, 11/3/2004) comes this newly unearthed revelation:
"Of the six DNA test results completed to date we find that two known cousins have descended from David Tyner of Ohio, two from Richard Tyner of Elbert County Ga, and two apparently of Sarah Tyner (Harris common DNA.) So what is interesting to note is that preliminary results appear to indicate that Richard Tyner was not a descendent of Sarah Tyner. Therefore as it stands today, we have 3 distinct line of the Tyner family name. Those descended from Sarah, those descended from Richard, and those descended from David".
Thanks Ken! So, folks, did your research hit the brick wall with Richard, David, Harris, Nicholas, William, Sarah, John or Dempsey? Join us and help your cousins take a brick out of the wall! Some results are already posted at: (address omitted to conform to genforum rules) and participants have much more information to share. Email: (Tyner Project Administrator), William (Bill) Tyner
So, Tyner forum, there you have it. None of the participants are involved with the DNA testing business. Every one of us are simply and only participants. Step and I found out that we are absolutely 4th cousins. DNA doesn't lie. Jerry and Ron found out that they are from the Sarah/John Harris tree. Ken found out that he is not related to any of us.
I'm looking for my Ohio Tyner ancestors. I've pretty much given up on the Nicholas Tiner branch. Step and I have lots to share if we can only find someone else with another piece of the puzzle. Are you totally squared away on your tree? If you have a brick wall (mine is now over 10 years old) I'm informing you that the opportunity to knock down that wall (catchy phrase) is out there should you wish to use it.
There is only one Tyner DNA Project in the world. If you want to be a participant, in all honesty we need as many as possible, you may find the break throughs you have been looking for and in doing so help us all.
Jerry, who doesn't use this forum, found that he is a Harris. His daughter wasn't surprised because it confirmed her research. However, I quickly applied his data against all of the DNA samples that have been uploaded to "YSearch"
(the repository for DNA from all DNA testing companies) and immediately found 6 exact DNA matches to his. Do you know what this means? It means, these 6 people are carrying his exact DNA match and are direct male relatives. He can now contact these cousins and compare genealogy info. Imagine the new gains that Jerry and his family will make from this discourse.
This is what I want to convey to any possible male Tyner participant. A 1 minute rubbing from the inside of your cheek with a rounded plastic handle done twice over two days is how the sample is taken. No blood, no syringes, no fuss. Easier than brushing your teeth. Yes, there are costs but it is half off when you are part of a project. I want you to read the fine print for yourself.
Thanks for reading to the end. It's in your ballpark now. Hope to see you add to the current 7 member Tyner Project.
William (Bill) Tyner
(from the Ohio Tyner line going back to David Tyner/Tiner b. 1809 to 1815 somewhere in Ohio who had kids in Tuscarawas County then moved to settle in Wood County by 1850)
Ken Tyner, Tyner list administrator
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Update on Tyner DNA Project
I am Michael Tiner. I am the one who first posted looking for
information on Edmund and Lucinda Tiner of McDonald County Missouri. I posted this in
1999 or 2000. We have not been able to trace beyond them for some reason or
another. My goal was to find out what native country the Tiner's originally
migrated from. I know there are Tiner's in England and Ireland. Would participating
in this DNA project answer that question for me? I am aware that the Tyner's
and Tiner's were of the same ancestry and the spelling changed for some at some
point along the way. If anyone can help me achieve my goal of tracing our
Tiner's back to the native country of origin, I would be most grateful.
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