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Subject: Re: [S-I] 17th century Ulster records for Individuals on, Montgomery,Hamilton, McDonald plantations
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 23:29:20 +0000 (UTC)
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Ah, that was a different branch of the family. No word anyone ever moved to County Down!

You know how we Antrimites hated the place <grin>

Linda


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Subject: Re: [S-I] 17th century Ulster records for Individuals on, Montgomery, Hamilton, McDonald plantations

Interesting, given that James BLACK d. 1828 of Woodford Dromara, Co.
Down married a niece of Thomas Ledlie BIRCH aka Blubbering Birch who was
deported for his United Irishmen activities. This James BLACK was a
chandler, and his son Rev James Birch BLACK served as a minister at 1st
Dromora until he was suspended for drunkeness, and died 5 month later in
1823 leaving a widow and children.
Hmm,
Sharon
Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project:
http://www.thesilverbowl.com/

On 10/02/2012 12:43 PM, wrote:
> Hi Dave, not sure where this McCandliss/Wylie pedigree is, but probably. I have an article written about the Blacks. My direct line descends from a couple who lived in Aghoghill Village.
>
> They were John Black and Margaret McKibbon, who had at least three sons: John, Robert, and David, and a daughter. They were Covenantors. Son John (1768-1849) received an education, presumedly in Glasgow. He had to leave quickly in 1790 due to United Irishmen associations. He went to Philly and was eventually called to the pulpit in Pittsburgh as the first minister of the Reformed Presbyterian congregation there. He also taught Greek, etc, at a university and was president of Duquesne University. http://www.covenanter.org/JBlack/johnblack.htm .
>
> Brother Robert (1765-1848) was my direct ancestor. He migrated aroun 1795 to South Carolina with Sarah Aiken. Abt 1805 they moved to Pittsburgh area to be near John.
>
> They are claimed to descend from a Capt. Lamont who arrived with Monroe's Army in 1642. There is a line of Lamonts who took Black as a surname. The lads on the R1b1c7 list turned it up! Since at least the Captain's arrival there has been a John BLack, if not a dozen or two, in Antrm. One line of Johns moved to Belfast and became prominant merchants . He wrote the family history.
>
> Being in central Antrim, surnames like Wiley are common. In fact the Blacks married them in this country. They were also Covenantors. In 1800, the Reformed Presbys met in a barn in Orange County, NY, to take up the issue of slavery. The barn was owned by Robert Beatty, my ancestor (later chastized for owning slaves). In attendence was the Rev. John Black, a Rev. Wiley who was related somehow to the Blacks (I got it somewhere...), and the third minister, Rev. McKinney -- I think his wife was a sister of the Blacks. All three of these ministers was lads from central Antrim. The only minister not there was the Rev. Wm Martin of South Carolina, who was also from Antrim.
>
> Samuel Brown Wylie, b. in Moylarg, ANtrim, http://www.archives.upenn.edu/people/1700s/wylie_saml_brown.html is another on this group. HIs wife was probably related to the woman the Rev. John Black married, another Watson. I have a Watson on another line in the area, but donno if they're related. .
>
> My mother used to say of the Blacks that there were a million of them, they all looked alike, and they Intermarried. In Northern Ireland I read a description in a local history book that said the exact same thing about the local Blacks!
>
> My New York Beatty line (Francis Beatty) intermarried with the Blacks after moving to western PA. My grandmother's sister married a Black in Butler Co. Donno if they're related to my line of Blacks (on my grandfather's side) or not....There were 3 Archibald Blacks in the area circa 1800 --two Protestants and one a (good ship) Eliza immigrant and Catholic, presumedly from Fermanagh or southern Donegal.
>
> The Rev. John Black was a national figure in his day, a fierce public speaker. More info on him here:
> http://www.pcahistory.org/biography/black.html.
>
> If the name Wylie is attached to the Blacks in Antrim, I'd wager that's us as we liked the Wylies a lot.
>
> Linda Merle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D H"<>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, 10 February, 2012 3:06:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-I] 17th century Ulster records for Individuals on, Montgomery, Hamilton, McDonald plantations
>
> Well the Pedigree doesn't seem to exist so I need to look at as many Pedigrees as possible just to get crumbs....On McClure of Belmont there is one
> marriage, on Robert Campbell pedigree there is one marriage, on Fairly pedigree one marriage, Molyneaux Pedigree one marriage, Richardson pedigree one
> marriage, Dickey 2 marriages etc etc but I usually just get one of them marrying "the 4th daughter" of...nothing about the 1st three!!
>
> Yes I also put all surname 'bits' onto s/sheet, some gel together after time! At moment have just pulled them all from Irish Birth Index back to early
> 1600's..now to cut/paste any that fit together.........
>
> If I'm not mistaken the McCandliss/Wylie pedigree has Blacks from Antrim on it..not sure if they are your Blacks!
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> Re: [S-I] 17th century Ulster records for Individuals on, Montgomery,Hamilton, McDonald plantations
> /Date:/ Fri, 10 Feb 2012 16:02:40 +0000 (UTC)
> /In-Reply-To:/<>
> Wow, you've done a lot of work, Dave.
>
> Maybe others will benefit from this suggestion. When I'm searching like this, I do not 'cherry pick' -- ie look for The Record. I gather anything that
> might be relevant. Like all the other individuals with the same surnames, all the marriages, etc., and I put them in a spreadsheet or table in Word or
> Open Office, with the source, of course -- a brief sourcename that is an index to my bibliography with the full reference.
>
> What you find is later on stuff is significant that wasn't before. Also sometimes looking at all this data you see patterns that can suggest things.
>
> Linda Merle
>
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