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From: D H <>
Subject: Re: [S-I] 17th century Ulster records for Individuals on Montgomery,Hamilton, McDonald plantations
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:36:33 +0000


Well your last sentence certainly is true! I know even some of the Undertakers didn't even arrive or take up the land...

Tullyniskan, Desertcreat, and Killyman in Tyrone are areas where I also need to find about, so like you, I'd be inclined to believe it points to a
Scottish descent, he became Rector of Tullanisken/Desertcreat in 1614, appointed via Trinity College, so I can check that out next time I'm in Dublin.
His son got 1000 acres there in 1840's from Lord Castlestewart.

Boy did they move around...followed them over time through six counties so far...not to mention USA, Australia etc.

Your reply is what I thought and expected but no harm in asking just in case!

Again, thank you.








Re: [S-I] 17th century Ulster records for Individuals on Montgomery,Hamilton, McDonald plantations
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DH,

I don't believe any rent books of tenants survive pre-1700, and even at
that time it's pretty sparse. The only thing recording "who got what" was
acreages to the big undertakers that were to bring planters. I was only
able to put two and two together regarding my ancestors on Lord Ochiltree's
(Andrew Stewart's) land because they have many farms in the hearth rolls
around Tullyniskan, Desertcreat, and Killyman in Tyrone. Stewart was from
Ayrshire and recruited a lot of planters in Dumfries & Galloway where my
ancestors were from, so there's really no actual link besides that.

The earliest records of some of the McLain brothers were actually on
English land (Clogher, Tyrone in 1626 and Bellaghy, L'Derry in 1630) which
just goes to show you how much moving around there was and also reinforces
what Leyburn said in his book "The Scotch-Irish: A Social History", that
tenants were not loyal to one estate. Clearly there was a lack of
Englishmen for the amount of land that were in the hands of English
undertakers. A lot of English packed up and went home as they weren't made
out for this rough frontier life. I believe Londonerry (planted by the
London companies) became almost wholly Scotch in character by the 1640s. I
believe a lot of Scottish merchants trading in
Coleraine/Londonderry/Belfast would have been inundated with advertisements
for cheap land throughout Ulster and would have had their pick. There was
a strict plan for who got what, but really after 1620, anyone could have
ended up anywhere.

Chris

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