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From: D H <>
Subject: Re: [S-I] Native Irish McLains?
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 10:41:29 +0000
Why can't they just be Scots living in Ireland? Surely there were people of different nationalities living in Ireland prior to the organized plantations!
On 28/01/2012 08:00, wrote:
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> 1. Native Irish McLains? (Christopher Beal)
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> Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 00:31:10 -0500
> From: Christopher Beal<>
> Subject: [S-I] Native Irish McLains?
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> With a lot of luck and joint research with some DNA matches, I've been
> able to trace my McLain line back to Ulster pre-1700. For a long time I
> thought they were planters from Scotland but after exchanging emails with
> Linda Merle, it seems they could have been native Irish. I did a little
> more research and I'll add my findings. I was lucky enough to find the
> family of brothers in 1660s parish records at St. Columb's in Londonderry
> baptizing their children, these same men also appear on Tyrone's hearth
> rolls in 1663 around Dungannnon (John McOlane, Andrew McClean, John
> Mickline, Neall McLeane, and Patrick McGlaine). Londonderry's records
> seems to add 2 more brothers/cousins: Archibald and William.
> Comparing the hearth rolls with the 1740 householders index, these exact
> names repeat very much in Loughinsholin and the descendants of these
> McLains seem to populate Magherafelt, Tamlaght O'Crilly, Kilrea,
> Desertmartin, Kilcronaghan, Maghera, and Kellelagh through that period of
> time. The only records I found earlier than these are the following:
> 1630 muster roll: John McClane, on Henry Conway's estate in Loughinsholin,
> Summonisters roll: "Gilbert McCleene of Clogher" mentioned in Tyrone's
> rolls in 1626.
> Would I be correct in assuming that John McClane is an Irish tenant on
> the Londonderry plantation? Through all the turmoil of the 1600s, it seems
> this family stays in Loughinsholin. I've read that Shane O'Neill's
> gallowglass in 1560 were the Macleans of Duart who ventured to Ulster when
> Shane married the cheiftain's daughter. They opposed Hugh O'Neil the Earl
> of Tyrone as they were kinsmen to the MacShanes (Shane O'Neill's sons) and
> had become powerful and influential people in Tir Eoghain, and eventually
> known as "McEllanes". The "census of the fews", a 1602 pardon list from
> Armagh gives the names of 2 kerns under Henry O'Neill: Owen Og McElane and
> Allen McElane.
> It looks like evidence mounts for them to be considered native Irish but
> then I come across things that throw me off like this Scottish baptismal:
> *"Andro McKlein, father: Gilbert McKlein, Mar. 19, 1606, Dumfries"*
> obviously two names that fit the above family and I'm not sure whether to
> take it as coincidence or not.
> Any input would be greatly appreciated, Thank you!
> Chris Beal
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