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From: "Marilyn Otterson" <>
Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:59:03 -0500
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Yes, I can see that; however, it seems odd that anyone who is not interested
in learning more about possible "relatives" would even participate in paying
for a Y-DNA test at all.

I think anyone who has their DNA tested must have SOME reason for doing so,
but to me if not genealogy, then what? It's a mystery.

I can live with my disappointment, of course, but it would have been fun to
have found a distant relative in Co. Tyrone. Ah, well...

Thanks, Edward!
Marilyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Andrews" <>
To: "'Carol and Joe Marlo'" <>;
<>
Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple


> Please remember that there is considerable suspicion of genealogy among
> many
> people in Ulster, and as a result those who are seeking cousins across the
> pond should expect that the response will be underwhelming.
>
> Part of the problem is that historically a particular religious group
> rather insensitively sought to get involved in records and caused a lot of
> grief in the 1950s. Ulster people have long memories.
> Edward
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:
>> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Carol
>> and Joe Marlo
>> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:49 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple
>>
>> Hi, Marilyn,
>>
>> I was sorry to read of your disappointing encounters with
>> possible relatives, but I can't say that I'm surprised. The
>> same situation has occurred with me in trying to connect with
>> possible SLOWEY relatives. I find possible leads, contact
>> the people politely, enclose postage if it's a non-e-mail
>> address, and usually never hear from them again.
>>
>> Is it possible for you to enlist the help of someone else
>> related to these "close markers"? Those of us who have that
>> genealogical interest find it hard to relate to people who
>> just don't care, but unfortunately, such interest cannot be
>> compelled. Keep trying through thr non-DNA approaches, and
>> maybe you'll still make a breakthrough.
>>
>> Carol
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Marilyn Otterson <>
>> To:
>> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple
>>
>> Hello, folks,
>>
>> I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to
>> many fans of Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show
>> another side where people might not want to spend the money
>> for deep searches unless the information they seek is not to
>> learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but
>> other information that may gives hints to their ancestry. I
>> was somewhat interested a few years ago but to start only got
>> tested (well, had my dad's brother's son got his DNA tested
>> for me) for 25 markers.
>>
>> I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match
>> that perhaps each of us might want to go further to 37 or
>> even 67 markers if we were both interested.
>>
>> Another participant on this list or another convinced her
>> cousin to get tested for 25 markers, and lo! he had the same
>> surname as mine and his ancestors came from the same very
>> tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as mine....but he was not
>> interested at all in swapping information. I figure that
>> with the same markers and the same very small location we are
>> probably connected not too many generations in the past, but
>> since that person wasn't interested in going further, it was
>> all kind of for naught. I have also had a couple of other
>> people, but with different surnames, who have the same 25
>> markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping
>> information, either.
>> I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of
>> silly not to go further and to exchange information if not
>> going for more markers. It was a real disappointment to
>> learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but can't exchange
>> family information since he is not interested in participating.
>>
>> I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find
>> another with the shared ancestors, but when people are tested
>> with no desire to discuss possible connections, or to
>> research such, it's just kind of sad and futile, at least it is to me.
>>
>> Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more)
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dannye Powell" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple
>>
>>
>> > What is the ancestr.s name?
>> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>> >
>> > Les Tate <> wrote:
>> >
>> >>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that
>> understanding
>> >>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means.
>> >>
>> >>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting
>> just the 12
>> >>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your
>> father or brother's
>> >>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can
>> better define the
>> >>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37
>> markers to 67
>> >>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My
>> haplogroup has
>> >>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish
>> Modal with
>> >>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my
>> SNP marker L21
>> >>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been
>> negative, that
>> >>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several
>> hundred members who
>> >>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many
>> having fairly well
>> >>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other
>> SNPs. However all
>> >>are searching for even more defining information to
>> indicate where our
>> >>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish
>> Cluster there,
>> >>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus!
>> > ,!
>> >> there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are
>> still being defined
>> >> as more advanced SNP tests become available.
>> >>
>> >>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA
>> ancestor's origin
>> >>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the
>> same or a
>> >>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research
>> and possibly
>> >>better define your common ancestor's origin. Early in my
>> Y-DNA tests and
>> >>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was
>> fortunate to
>> >>locate someone with the same surname who I matched
>> perfectly at 12, then
>> >>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent extension to
>> 111 markers
>> >>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more
>> mutatable markers.
>> >>However by working together over about two years, we found
>> our common
>> >>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are
>> >>descendants of a different son of that ancestor.
>> >>
>> >>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated
>> >>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male
>> ancestor being born
>> >>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to
>> what was to
>> >>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely
>> Scots-Irish areas
>> >>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution.
>> We also found he
>> >>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel
>> Boone in Rowan
>> >>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle
>> of Kings
>> >>Mountain in 1780.
>> >>
>> >>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just
>> >>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment
>> your genealogy
>> >>research.
>> >>
>> >>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide
>> general origins of
>> >>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine
>> exact origins. It
>> >>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research
>> since wives'
>> >>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go
>> further back in
>> >>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American
>> ancestry, which is
>> >>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and
>> origins are not
>> >>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my
>> mtDNA results
>> >>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor
>> >>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S.
>> >>
>> >>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting
>> DNA tests done,
>> >>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't
>> answer all the
>> >>questions you may have because more questions arise with
>> each new finding.
>> >>
>> >>Les Tate
>> >>==========
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out
>> how to read DNA
>> >>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please.
>> >>>
>> >>> Heather
>> >>>
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