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From: "Edward Andrews" <>
Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:23:25 -0000
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Please remember that there is considerable suspicion of genealogy among many
people in Ulster, and as a result those who are seeking cousins across the
pond should expect that the response will be underwhelming.

Part of the problem is that historically a particular religious group
rather insensitively sought to get involved in records and caused a lot of
grief in the 1950s. Ulster people have long memories.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Carol
> and Joe Marlo
> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:49 PM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple
> Hi, Marilyn,
> I was sorry to read of your disappointing encounters with
> possible relatives, but I can't say that I'm surprised.   The
> same situation has occurred with me in trying to connect with
> possible SLOWEY relatives.  I find possible leads, contact
> the people politely, enclose postage if it's a non-e-mail
> address, and usually never hear from them again.
> Is it possible for you to enlist the help of someone else
> related to these "close markers"?  Those of us who have that
> genealogical interest find it hard to relate to people who
> just don't care, but unfortunately, such interest cannot be
> compelled.  Keep trying through thr non-DNA approaches, and
> maybe you'll still make a breakthrough.
> Carol
> ________________________________
> From: Marilyn Otterson <>
> To:
> Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 5:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple
> Hello, folks,
> I am writing this note that may seem a little heretical to
> many fans of Y-DNA searches, but I just wanted to show
> another side where people might not want to spend the money
> for deep searches unless the information they seek is not to
> learn if there are others out there with the same DNA, but
> other information that may gives hints to their ancestry.  I
> was somewhat interested a few years ago but to start only got
> tested (well, had my dad's brother's son got his DNA tested
> for me) for 25 markers.
> I had decided that if I found somebody with a 25 marker match
> that perhaps each of us might want to go further to 37 or
> even 67 markers if we were both interested.
> Another participant on this list or another convinced her
> cousin to get tested for 25 markers, and lo!  he had the same
> surname as mine and his ancestors came from the same very
> tiny townland in Co. Tyrone as mine....but he was not
> interested at all in swapping information.  I figure that
> with the same markers and the same very small location we are
> probably connected not too many generations in the past, but
> since that person wasn't interested in going further, it was
> all kind of for naught.  I have also had a couple of other
> people, but with different surnames, who have the same 25
> markers, but neither of them was interested in swapping
> information, either.
> I feel that if people can get such a close match it's kind of
> silly not to go further and to exchange information if not
> going for more markers.  It was a real disappointment to
> learn I may have a "cousin" in Tyrone, but can't exchange
> family information since he is not interested in participating.
> I think we all, if we have DNA tested, hope we might find
> another with the shared ancestors, but when people are tested
> with no desire to discuss possible connections, or to
> research such, it's just kind of sad and futile, at least it is to me.
> Marilyn (Armstrong)(And Field, McCoy, Milligan and more)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dannye Powell" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [S-I] DNA Made Simple
> > What is the ancestr.s name?
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> >
> > Les Tate <> wrote:
> >
> >>I'm new to this group, however I wanted to comment that
> understanding
> >>Y-DNA results is not simple by any means.
> >>
> >>You may learn your general male line haplogroup by getting
> just the 12
> >>marker Y-DNA test (for women you'd have to submit your
> father or brother's
> >>sample), however there are more extensive tests that can
> better define the
> >>haplogroup. For instance, I've gone from 12-markers to 37
> markers to 67
> >>markers to 111-markers, plus a deep clade (SNP) test. My
> haplogroup has
> >>gone from R1b to R1b1a2a1a1b4 and it matches the Scottish
> Modal with
> >>little variation. However it doesn't end there. Since my
> SNP marker L21
> >>was positive and all the others tested thus far have been
> negative, that
> >>led me to the R-L21+ Y-DNA Project, which has several
> hundred members who
> >>are all at least R1b1 and positive for L21, with many
> having fairly well
> >>defined haplogroups as well as being positive for other
> SNPs. However all
> >>are searching for even more defining information to
> indicate where our
> >>distant ancestors came from. While I fall into the Scottish
> Cluster there,
> >>many other clusters are not Scottish. Plus!
> > ,!
> >>  there are subgroups of the Scottish Cluster that are
> still being defined
> >> as more advanced SNP tests become available.
> >>
> >>Matches to your Y-DNA results may help define your Y-DNA
> ancestor's origin
> >>and if you're very fortunate, you may find someone with the
> same or a
> >>similar surname who can help extend your genealogy research
> and possibly
> >>better define your common ancestor's origin.  Early in my
> Y-DNA tests and
> >>at a roadblock in my paternal genealogy research, I was
> fortunate to
> >>locate someone with the same surname who I matched
> perfectly at 12, then
> >>37, then 67 markers, although the most recent  extension to
> 111 markers
> >>shows some slight variation on a couple of the more
> mutatable markers.
> >>However by working together over about two years, we found
> our common
> >>ancestor 7 generations back and I now have distant cousins who are
> >>descendants of a different son of that ancestor.
> >>
> >>We were fortunate to find that our genealogical research indicated
> >>Scottish or Scots-Irish ancestry, with our common male
> ancestor being born
> >>somewhere in Ulster (North Ireland) in 1731, migrating to
> what was to
> >>become the U.S. by 1755, moving into what were largely
> Scots-Irish areas
> >>in VA, NC, and TN by the time of the American Revolution.
> We also found he
> >>was a neighbor and hunting/exploring companion of Daniel
> Boone in Rowan
> >>County NC and was one of the Overmountain Men in the Battle
> of Kings
> >>Mountain in 1780.
> >>
> >>What I want to indicate is that your DNA testing should not be just
> >>stand-alone information, but serve to assist and augment
> your genealogy
> >>research.
> >>
> >>Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) tests can likewise provide
> general origins of
> >>your maternal line, however it is difficult to determine
> exact origins. It
> >>is also difficult to augment with your genealogy research
> since wives'
> >>maiden names were often not recorded, especially as you go
> further back in
> >>time. While my mtDNA results shows Native American
> ancestry, which is
> >>backed up by some oral family history, exact names and
> origins are not
> >>available before 1850 for my maternal line. Matches to my
> mtDNA results
> >>are few and only indicate a common Native American female ancestor
> >>somewhere in the eastern area of what is now the U.S.
> >>
> >>I don't want to discourage you or anyone else from getting
> DNA tests done,
> >>since the results can be very helpful. However it won't
> answer all the
> >>questions you may have because more questions arise with
> each new finding.
> >>
> >>Les Tate
> >>==========
> >>
> >>
> >>On Nov 28, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Heather Dau wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Linda, please recommend a book/site that spells out
> how to read DNA
> >>> results (especially Y-DNA); something understandable, please.
> >>>
> >>> Heather
> >>>
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