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From: Murray Bell <>
Subject: Re: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:44:30 -0500
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Linda,

Thanks. I did try the monaghan list but not much response. Someone did respond with Feegavla as the equivalent of Figevly though.

I thought this list would be a good spot to try since although Monaghan is not politically part of northern ireland, it is part of Ulster and there was a substantial Scotch Irish presence there.

One question on the Tithe Applotment books. Is there a anywhere on line that they are sortable by townland? I would like to find out what other families lived on the Figevly townland.

Some of your sources I have already checked but I will certainly look into the others

thanks for your help.

murray




On Nov 18, 2011, at 9:08 PM, wrote:

> Hi Murray, I hope someone on the list is a Monaghan expert.
>
> I am not. Unfortunately Monaghan is not in the Placenames of Ulster series, near as I know. This series provides the history of not only each townland but other placenames (villages, etc). It would tell you if the two names are for the same place. So you will need to consult some atlases as well as histories of Monaghan and the parish. Also note the landlord and estate. You may find info in the estate history.
>
> There are also a list of 'standard' places to search in Monaghan. I usually use Ryan "Irish Records" but Fianna has some good webpages:
>
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan.html
>
> You may note that the Scotch Irish list largely researches in Northern Ireland. Monaghan is not in Northern Ireland so I urge you to check with a county list.
> One place to find parish maps is: http://www.pasthomes.com/info/samples.php
> Another place, besides the Internet, is the Family History Library. It may have maps including estate maps. You use the catalog to find these. It used to be before the Internet that you went there first and ordered microfilm.
>
> A brief list of the 'no brainer', 101 level of records available is here:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan/mogmisc.html But if you did some research in the FHL catalog and a book like Ryan "Irish Records or Grenham you'll find others.
>
>> What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland.
>
> You generally would check Ryan "Irish Records" to get this answer. The Fianna webpage may hold the answer:
> http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fianna/county/monaghan/mogcoi.html Says 1878 for Church of Ireland. Check
> http://www.rootsireland.ie/ . They may be indexed at the County Heritage Centre . Also check the FHL -- not only the front page index but the Irish record collection. Just because Fianna says the records are locally held doesn't mean that is still true.
>
> Methodists were not confined to parishes. There were various types of Methodists and their circuits overlapped. You need to check any Methodist records you can find within that is nearby, ignoring parishes, just as if researching in the USA you would ignore county and township lines, knowing the ancestors had legs and horses and could cross them at will.
>
> Often we hope -- or I sure did and still do -- someone has the answers to our questions. No one ever seemed to have mine so I had to learn to find them myself. It seems for Irish genealogy nothing is simple. There isn't a single place to find records -- you usually have to search a couple places. It's the nature of Irish research. Things are not well aggregated.
>
> Possibly your best hope to find some one who already knows the answers is the Monaghan list.
>
> If Figevly is in the same parish and about the same size as Feegavla it could well be the same. You may be able to tell this from comparing Griffiths and the Tithe Applotments. However a local person would know and there's likely to be more of them on a Monaghan list .
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Linda Merle
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Murray Bell" <>
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> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:50:01 PM
> Subject: [S-I] Tithe Applotment Books
>
> After many years of searching for my ancestors in the wrong counties, I have recently had reason to zero in on County Monaghan regarding my GG grandparents-Jeremiah Bell And Frances Elliott. I recently discovered that Frances Elliott was born in County Monaghan. I then did a search of the Tithe applotment books for Monaghan and found a Jaramiah Bell in 1824 living in Figevly townland, Donaghmoyne parish. In trying to figure out where to go from here, I have the following questions which I am hoping someone can help me with.
>
> 1. Figevly townland cannot be found in subsequent records. In Griffiths there is a Feegavla townland in Donaghmoyne. How do I verify that Figevly=Feegavla?
> 2. Does a townland map exist for Donaghmoyne Parish & where can I get a copy?
> 3. What protestant. church records exist for Donaghmoyne Parish for the period 1800-1840. The family was Methodist but I realize Methodist's often utilized the Church Of ireland.
>
> Any advice much appreciated.
>
> tanks, murray Bell
>
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