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Subject: Re: [S-I] UK and Ireland Passenger lists
Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 02:45:05 +0000 (UTC)
Hi Donna, gee, that's grand! They were definitely Scotch-Irish. Some years ago scholars at the Scotch Irish Society of America researched the term and documented its earliest usage, what it meant, etc, etc. It's an American term for an American ethnic group. It largely means people who live in Appalachia and who believe their ancestors came from Ulster. In some areas up towards 95 percent of the population is believed to have been originally from there. Other people -- English, German, Irish -- their descendants assimilated into the usual, normal, standard cultural norm: Scotch Irish. So some of the Scotch Irish didn't come from Ulster.
People who are Protestants living in Ulster who self identify as Ulster Scot generally believe their ancestors came from Scotland. Again, many didn't. They came from Holland, England, Wales, or were native Irish. Ethnicity is learned. We don't inherit it like blue eyes. Which is why genealogy can be challenging to who you self identify as! But regarding the Scotch Irish, if it waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck!
So don't hesitate to think of them as Scotch Irish. They probably thought of themselves as that. Though both in the US and Ulster, the more upper class you got the less you identified as a Tennessee farm boy and the more you wanted to be taken as a Madison Avenue main stream American. In Ulster the landed Scots rapidly became rawther English and since they had to conform to the church of England to retain their land, they ceased to be Presbyterians.
Oddly I just had a DNA match with a lady with Marshalls in TN. Donno if that's our connection or not....I just noticed hers were in TN. Strange to have it come up twice in one day.
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From: "Donna Nichols" <>
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Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 3:08:38 PM
Subject: [S-I] UK and Ireland Passenger lists
Thanks, Linda. I just found where my Kennedy grandparents left Ireland returning to Quebec to come back to Indiana. My grandparents were Scottish (Kennedy), but spent a lot of time in Europe for various reasons, which are quite fascinating..and this just added one more facet. This set of grandparents was born in IL, and my grandfather was a well-known surgeon.
However, in reading the intro on the IGS...I suddenly realized that my husband's Irish Quaker line..came from County Antrim, Armagh and Meath and came to the colonies in the 1600's..that would kind of make them Scotch-Irish..which apparently they said they were. Eventually the Marshall's (Marshill) settled in the mountains of East TN, in the areas of Scotch-Irish settlements, and two generations later were shunned because they had done the unthinkable for two generations, and married Presbyterians..
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