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From: william mccombs <>
Subject: Re: [S-I] News Scotch Irish List
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:45:43 -0500
Neither of us have any specific paper trail to Northern Ireland. Her
ancestor was born 1805 in NY and mine 1793 in Abbevile, SC. The only
possible connection is that I
know several McCombs entered Charleston SC in about 1763 1773 when South
Carolina had established the land bounty act for Protestants from Ireland
and several other countries. I have yet to establish a definite paper trail
to these emigrants. However, I have done some basic research on surnames in
Ireland and found the McComb/(s) were abundant in Down and Antrim counties.
Currently both Sharon and I have McCombs projects on FTDNA and ancestry.com.
We both have been tested at 67 markers and have a genetic distance of 2.
While I have not been SNP tested, Sharon has and has the same exact
halogroup R1b2a1b5b as your McAmis...
Sharon (we are working together) has more information on the Ulster Heritage
Project , so I will ask her to take this off line to you..
Thanks for all the informaion
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:03 PM, <> wrote:
> Hi William, the confirmed location is a village in Tyrone (I'll have to
> check the details for you). The surname occurs primarily in the barony of
> Dungannon and there are not sufficient records in the 1700s to 'tie' them
> together into a traditional family structure. I don't personally make a
> 'lot' of the village as a McCamish 'ground zero' because the 'hits' we have
> are in different parishes in the area. The townlands are generally in the
> large Archdiocese estate or other townlands in areas not settled by planter
> families. Some of these areas still have the highest rates of Irish in
> Northern Ireland. So the circumstantial evidence is that they are Irish even
> without DNA.
> The reason for this is how the plantation occurred. The incoming planters
> were forced to agree to displace the Irish in the public plantations. THIS
> DOES NOT INCLUDE MOST ANTRIM AND DOWN. These counties were largely in
> private hands by the time of King James' plantation. Antrim was largely the
> McDonalds -- the terms by which they held was that they agreed to settle
> lowland Scots amongst the Irish and Scots highlanders. Lowland Scots are
> good farmers. Irish and highland Scots were herders, so of course this was
> fantastic as it strengthened the estate. Less clear about Down (Montgomery
> Estates, etc), though where planters and servitors (ex soldiers) got
> estates, King James' rules applied. So often Irish were forced to move. This
> was to higher ground, mountanous areas, bogs and swamps. It was impossible
> to bring in the harvest without Irish so most planters ignored King James to
> some extent. In most cases the Irish didn't move far and sometimes stayed
> right where they always ha!
> d been. But they were very poor with no leases -- or short ones.
> However the church was not told to ditch the Irish. The churchlands became
> havens for Irish -- and in central Ulster there was a huge estate. Parts
> were sublet to others so you have to study the history of the townland.
> However most of the people living on these townlands were Catholic Irish.
> They don't tend to show up in any records at all: they had very short leases
> or were tenants at will.
> Are your McCombs confirmed as NW Irish?
> I'll check it out later today and also see if our dna expert has anything
> to say. If you are not in the Ulster Heritage DNA project he's not
> interested in discussing it. He's busy....he uses tools to do data analysis.
> So if you aren't in this project you don't exist for us. It's a no brainer
> to join <grin>!
> What locations were your McCombs in at what dates?
> Plus we should probably take this off line.....
> Linda Merle
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