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Subject: Re: [S-I] Mitchell, Scotch/Irish New York to Michigan
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 17:47:32 EDT


Can you tell me if the Ellis or Quinn family names are Scotch-Irish? If so,
where in Ireland do they show up?

Bonnie O'Neil

In a message dated 3/9/2010 3:27:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

Hi Bill, I haven't googled recently so I can't tell you what there is on
line for the RP church in Wilkinsburg.

The RP Seminary library is just up the road apiece. I don't know what they
got either since when I visited
there last I hadn't revisited the will of my ancestor (collected by mother
and sister) and as a result of a lot
of learning, realized that the witness to the will was now known to me. I
guess I should go back.


----- Original Message -----
From: "William McKinney" <>
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2010 2:26:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [S-I] Mitchell, Scotch/Irish New York to Michigan

Howdy Linda,

Just curious. Are there any accounts on line relating to the Reformed
Presbyterian Church in Wilkinsburg. That's where my McKinneys ended up
selling their Braddocks Field farm to Andrew Carnegie for his steel works.

Bill McKinney
In Erie (which, yes, got precious little snow this year compared to last)

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [S-I] Mitchell, Scotch/Irish New York to Michigan

Hi Richard,

This doesn't quite make sense to me:
>My FTDNA, (67 Y Markers Tested), shows overwhelming Scotch and Irish
ancestry with Irish being slightly higher than Scotch.

Thats not how Y DNA results are reported (in any useful fashion). Are you
refering to the familytreedna page of Recent Ancestral Origins? That's not
accurate at all. It just sees where people that match you (who have
come from. A lot don't list origins and some are wrong.

Go with your haplogroup. The haplogroup is of course fuzzy too for a
reasons: We don't know where they originated (though the scientists have
theories -- which change every two years) and who cares -- we want to know
where your immediate ancestors were living. If you turn up NW Irish, you
assume they were in Ulster or nearby areas of Scotland -- ie it gives you
some clues.

What's the haplogroup? And who do you match to? You may find matches with
surname because surnames are fairly recent, but they're a clue. If you
us a few of
them, maybe we can tell from the surnames where they might have come from,
unless it was
Glasgow....same surnames in parts of Glasgow as in northern Ireland
so many
went over.

The point is though that these are statistical and your unique history is
unique and not based on statistics. You use the statistics to figure out
where the best places are to search.

You don't have enough info to search in Scotland. You need to follow
back through the censuses as far as you can. You might find him living as
child in a household with his parents. Anyway the census work will give
an approximate date of birth. Then censuses also tell you where he was
-- what state. You should also try to find an obit for him and see if you
can view the actual death record, not a death certificate. This is
on the state he died in. What state did he die in?

You also need to gather all his siblings, their dates of birth and where
they were born
from the censuses. These are clues, esp. ones born in Scotland. There are
plenty of James Mitchells there, but with the names of children and maybe
spouse, you can narrow it down. Since he was born in the USA and his
in Scotland probably his father was in the USA at the time of his birth
you can trace him backwards in the censuses. Then you look for a
naturalization record. If he was in the USA in 1812, if he was not
naturalized he should be listed as an alien. the book is in Ancestry. You
want to search for a naturalization record for the father and then first
papers. The first papers are more likely to nail down his origins. However
the people who stood for him are critical people. Like in the case of a
client of mine whose ancstors claimed to be Scots, the men who stood for
when he naturalized were both first generation Irish. They didn't randomly
go somewhere in the USA -- they went to where other people from the family
and/or village went. It's called c!
hain migration. So you always look up those guys in the censuses and see
what you can learn about them. They are clues.

Similarly, one of the sons of the Rev. John Black, who also became a
minister, witnessed the
will of a Kelly ancestor of mine. Why? He died north of the Allegheny and
this man's church
was in Wilkinsburg. Because of some previous tie, that's why. There were
Kellys associated
with the Reformed Presbyterian church in Wilkinsburg but so far I've not
found the origins
of mine -- but it is an important clue to where they were before they
manifested in Indiana
Twp (Allegheny Co).

>I apologise to any of those who I may have offended on the list,

Actually I did more offending than you today. You didn't offend anyone at

Good luck!

Linda Merle

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