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Subject: Re: [S-I] Interpreting Vague Religion in the 1911 Irish census
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:59:27 +0000 (UTC)
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Hi Ed, thanks for your info. some kind of 'independent evangelical group' is what I thought of but, as they say (somewhere -- I forget where .....another ibid foot note <grin>) the past is a different place, so would it have meant that then?
Most likely I won't be researching them at all as they are way downstream from my client unless we can find one alive and get his DNA to help validate our DNA research.
Generally when I need vitals, I go for the civil registration since it is faster than searching through 20 church records that aren't very well agregated. It's easier if you are there. You phone them. The indexes for Northern Ireland are free on line at http://www.emeraldancestors.com/index.asp . You can pay and get more information. Some time ago I got all the info on our surname of interest and stuffed it into a huge spreadsheet. It includes generally where they were actually married, which identifies the religion, if I recall right. Probalby these guys are in that database already.
I was about to say the database was on rootsweb (World Connect) but no, only the Tennessee obits are there now: mcamisobits. The Chattanooga area newspaper indexed the obits on line but wanted a lot of money to get the obit. It was a great price if you wanted two or three, but we wanted them all. So a cousin hired a student to go there on his holiday and photocopy a hundred or so. The info from those I used to create family trees and with censuses, etc, tried to link them back to earlier families in eastern TN. Most of the time, this worked but of course I didn't prove these by seeking out additional evidence. Maybe we will. The obits are at World Connect: mcamisobits is the database, see
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=mcamisobits .
The surnames are McCamish/McAmis. You'd think someone would find these useful but I've never heard from a single person who did. Looking at the surname breakdown, it says , MCAMIS [143], MCCAMISH [113]
So lots of people named in these obits, most born and bred in areas of Tennessee adjoining Chattanooga but a few pioneers from Greenville area of TN where their ancestors settled in the late 1700s. They are Irish, O'Neills, possibly O'Cathains (O'Cains, etc), assimilated into Ulster Scot. It looks like after 1641 since at least one was 'out' in the Rising (previously, a cowman for Tristram Beresford:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sir_Tristram_Beresford,_1st_Baronet ).
Linda
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From: "Edward Andrews" <>
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Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 5:25:11 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [S-I] Interpreting Vague Religion in the 1911 Irish census
What in all probability you are dealing with is some kind of Independent
Evangelical group.
Can I be more specific? The answer is not really. Tyrone is a big county,
and has all kinds of independent evangelical meetings. We are talking about
something which was founded prior to 1911, so we can discount the various
mission halls which were ser up in the wake of the Nicholson Mission in the
1920s.
Personally, I would think in terms of Brethren, but even that can cover a
multitude of different points of view.
I could produce a meaningless list of possible suspects, the Conneyites and
the Faith Mission come immediately to mind (if you want to know Google
them).
What do you do? They will be married in a civil ceremony - their halls at
that time would not have been licensed for marriage (in Ireland it is the
place which is licensed for a wedding).
Many townlands have their Gospel Hall of one kind or another, some have
people concurrently attending the hall and members of a local Church (often
Presbyterian) this is not the kind of hall I'd be looking for.
I'd try the list of rateable valuations for the Townland and adjacent ones
- the halls didn't pay rates (I think) they would be writhing walking
distance of wherever your people lived (Sabbath Day's Journey and all that)
Edward Andrews
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> Hi folks, probably few of us actually remember the 1911
> census and life in Ulster then, but maybe some of you living
> in Northern Ireland can help me out.
>
> I am looking at a Tyrone family who gives their religion as
> Christian (made me laugh). Okay -- so what were they really?
> What would that signify (other than 'it's none of your
> business) in Northern Ireland today? Maybe it is the same.
>
> Linda Merle
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