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Subject: Re: [S-I] Surving McCormicks in the Glenns
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:56:58 +0000 (UTC)
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Hi Keith, I probably did in another life. I have always wondered what they did with all the heads they were always bringing to London. Do they have a closet in the tower somewhere full of old heads or did they get thrown into the Thames eventually? I donno....But there are a lot more heads than bodies in London. that I know much! Imagine being on the housing staff? "What shall we do with the head of this Desmond rebel?" "I donno, why are you asking me?" "Because it's been sitting here pickling in this jar for two years and we need to move it because all the heads of the rebels of the new rebellion are due in." Etc......
Linda Merle
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Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2009 8:56:44 AM GMT -07:00 US/Canada Mountain
Subject: Re: [S-I] Surving McCormicks in the Glenns
ROFL thanks Linda, you do good work at 4am :)
You seem to know a lot about the effects of mounting heads on your castle
adornments ... Did you actually try this a few times?
Those pesty crows eh :)
Better come home soon
keith
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Subject: Re: [S-I] Surving McCormicks in the Glenns
Hi Keith, sorry, no. Dublin is not the Glynnes, esp. in 1585. In that time
Dublin was full of English and the Glens were in the hands of the McDonald
Scots. The English were holed up in Carrickfergis doing bad things like
creating famine and slaughtering all the Scots and Irish in Antrim that they
could get their hands on. It wasn't the 1800s. Antrim was really far from
Dublin in the 1500s. The McDonalds held claim to Antrim due to a marriage
with the heiress, Margery Bisset, and were fighting with the loca l Irish
over the territory. This was or is the end of McDonald known as Clann Ian
Mor. Their base was the Glenns where their descendents live to this day,
though many think they are Irish. They were of course highlanders, Catholic,
and Gaelic speaking.
My interest is identifying pods of the 'surname' (at a time and place when
fixed surnames were not in use) so I can account for the origin of a family
found in central Ulster. As there was a group of men in the O'Cahan horde at
the time they are different from highland Scots (whom the O'Cahans were
fighting with). The DNA of the family is NW IRish - Probably O'Cahan
chieftan line or (DNA experts are waffling on me) something ---as new DNA
results arrive the picture changes. This McCormick tribe in the Glenn s is
probably the source of an instance of the surname in the early 1800s -- a
misspelling of my targetted surname (McCamish). An O'Cahan (in 1585) in the
Glenns would feel a lot like an American hiking in Iran. Likewise the only
English there were dead ones, and probably just their heads were there ....
though I am not suggesting anyone's ancestor here collected trophy heads! We
aren't English, after all, and had few castles to mount their heads on
anyway.... I'm a quarte!
r English so I do get out of control once in a while but I'm vegetarian and
no longer collect heads for my castle adornments. They smell bad and attract
crows.
Sorry it is 4 AM and I'm awake. It is 6 AM back home. But I can't get up at
6 AM at home, south of you near Pittsburgh. So why am I awake in Salt Lake
at 4 AM? Jet lag.... I return tomorrow so Monday I will be awake at the
right time. Be so nice to use a real computer again, not this shrunken down
thing that is light but a real pain to type at....
Just about done here ...I got instances of the surname in east Donegal,
right where their DNA says they should be (DNA matches there but not the
surname in modern times). Mission accomplished. Surname found in the Papal
Registers in Raphoe in 1400s. There is an immense amount of pre plantation
information to be had but finding it is a journey to a very different world.
Linda "Jet Lag" Merle
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Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 9:21:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [S-I] Surving McCormicks in the Glenns
Hello Colin
RE: ..."This (McCormick) family played with the McDonnell's,..."
I have an Esther McCormick who married Henry John McDonald shortly after he
arrived in Canada, from Dublin area of Ireland about 1823.
Would that count as "played with" ?
Keith Ronald McDonald,
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ... (no snow here in Niagara penninsula yet)
Researching McDonald, McCormick, Parker, Lees, Dudley, Paige,
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