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Subject: Re: [S-I] Surving McCormicks in the Glenns
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:22:24 +0000 (UTC)
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Hi Keith, sorry, no. Dublin is not the Glynnes, esp. in 1585. In that time Dublin was full of English and the Glens were in the hands of the McDonald Scots. The English were holed up in Carrickfergis doing bad things like creating famine and slaughtering all the Scots and Irish in Antrim that they could get their hands on. It wasn't the 1800s. Antrim was really far from Dublin in the 1500s. The McDonalds held claim to Antrim due to a marriage with the heiress, Margery Bisset, and were fighting with the local Irish over the territory. This was or is the end of McDonald known as Clann Ian Mor. Their base was the Glenns where their descendents live to this day, though many think they are Irish. They were of course highlanders, Catholic, and Gaelic speaking.

My interest is identifying pods of the 'surname' (at a time and place when fixed surnames were not in use) so I can account for the origin of a family found in central Ulster. As there was a group of men in the O'Cahan horde at the time they are different from highland Scots (whom the O'Cahans were fighting with). The DNA of the family is NW IRish - Probably O'Cahan chieftan line or (DNA experts are waffling on me) something ---as new DNA results arrive the picture changes. This McCormick tribe in the Glenns is probably the source of an instance of the surname in the early 1800s -- a misspelling of my targetted surname (McCamish). An O'Cahan (in 1585) in the Glenns would feel a lot like an American hiking in Iran. Likewise the only English there were dead ones, and probably just their heads were there .... though I am not suggesting anyone's ancestor here collected trophy heads! We aren't English, after all, and had few castles to mount their heads on anyway.... I'm a quarter English so I do get out of control once in a while but I'm vegetarian and no longer collect heads for my castle adornments. They smell bad and attract crows.

Sorry it is 4 AM and I'm awake. It is 6 AM back home. But I can't get up at 6 AM at home, south of you near Pittsburgh. So why am I awake in Salt Lake at 4 AM? Jet lag.... I return tomorrow so Monday I will be awake at the right time. Be so nice to use a real computer again, not this shrunken down thing that is light but a real pain to type at....

Just about done here ...I got instances of the surname in east Donegal, right where their DNA says they should be (DNA matches there but not the surname in modern times). Mission accomplished. Surname found in the Papal Registers in Raphoe in 1400s. There is an immense amount of pre plantation information to be had but finding it is a journey to a very different world.

Linda "Jet Lag" Merle

----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith R McDonald" <>
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Sent: Friday, December 4, 2009 9:21:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [S-I] Surving McCormicks in the Glenns

Hello Colin
RE: ..."This (McCormick) family played with the McDonnell's,..."

I have an Esther McCormick who married Henry John McDonald shortly after he
arrived in Canada, from Dublin area of Ireland about 1823.
Would that count as "played with" ?
Keith Ronald McDonald,
St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada ... (no snow here in Niagara penninsula yet)
Researching McDonald, McCormick, Parker, Lees, Dudley, Paige,
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Subject: [S-I] Surving McCormicks in the Glenns

My quick reply (see below) has turned into a book to be written. Linda- if
McCormicks is your pursuit then Volume 24 of the Ordnance Survey appears to
be a start. Pages 64 to 71 have a ton on the original McCormicks including
their 1560 fight with the English. "DUNCAN McCormick of Dunmacalter...
built in 1555 the...abbey called Bonamargy..grant was obtained in 1512..."
see
"Abbots of Bangor" manuscript" pg.66. This is in County Antrim, parish
Culfeightrin and one English mile east of the town of Ballycastle.
This family was part of the group of Scots Catholics who came from
Scotland in the 1500's to north Antrim from Portrush to Ballycastle etc.
and
settled that land. They fought off the English and stayed. Apparently by
1700, many had become Presbyterian like my surname family McDuffee/McAfee.
The
OS clearly marks the original family as Catholic, led by Phelimy-na-Mocht
or Felix McCormick who went to Rome to petition for the original abbey.
This
family played with the McDonnell's, who some falsely claim built the Abbey.
McCormicks are buried at the original abbey and the modern (1838)
Catholic Church graveyard. The Ramoan church west of Ballycastle (said to
be
built on site of an original Catholic Church) has McCormicks.

Finally- to make it a wrap. In OS vol.22, pg.96-97, and old sexton tells
the writer (1831) about the Irish Families O'CAHAN'S, O'DOUGHERTY'S AND
MCCORMICKS who are buried there, all without tombstones but loos stones at
their
feet and head. An ARTHUR McCormick is living in 1831 near the Kiltinney-
Upper and Lower Bogs.
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Was also a Scots clan McCormick in the Glenns at that time. Does anyone
know if they survived??
Colin- McCormick Ruling Elders in 1703-1708 at Carnmoney & Ballyclare,
Antrim; also Portaferry & Clough, County Down.

The Paxtang Church in Chester County, PA may have the Hugh McCormick R.E.
of Portaferry, County Down named above.
Circa 1838 per Ordnance Survey SAMUEL McCormick has a farm in
Ballyhenry, parish Carnmoney. vol.2 pg. 101. On pg. 76 it says McCormick's
are
buried in the Carnmoney churchyard. Apparently, presbytery meetings were
held
in Ballyclare back in 1670's for this location.
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I think it's time to go to the hotel since there is no way to get any
serious pain killers for my back (squinched over all day) and without pain
killers, I'm done.....

Linda Merle (absentee list admin)
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Rats. If I didn't have to work on the ambulance tonight, I'd be heading for
a "Hot Toddy" myself :) We expect snow tomorrow, but Linda I think it is
only the east side and south into Delaware, northern Virginia.

Colin Brooks
The 1718 Project.


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