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Subject: Re: [S-I] Elliott from Poland? to PA
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 00:47:11 +0000 (UTC)
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Hi Carolyn, I would not accept these webpages. They're clues. Some clues don't lead anywhere. You have to seek out primary evidence in several locales. Each one requires that you learn to do genealogy in a different country. When you are through -- you'll be an expert! But it is not something you'll do in a week. Or even a month.

Jedburgh can be quite difficult. Many of the border counties didn't have many records in the first place -- or churches for that matter. In addition there was some records destruction. So Jedburgh is not good. However the land records will have survived. If you do not know the term "sassine" it is a sign you'll need to read a book on Scottish genealogy to do a decent job of researching this family. Also you'll need to learn something or other about titled families.

Linda Merle

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Subject: Re: [S-I] Elliott from Poland? to PA

This is not my webpage, but it is interesting. Beginning in PA it is
close to what I have found, but the generations don't match. The
documentation is very sparse and a quick check shows many dates that do not
agree with my research. Will have to study what she has a lot further
before I can accept it. I live in Franklin County PA so can recheck the
original sources that she mentons in this area. Might as well check to see
if she has that part right before I check out the Scottish part.
. Thanks so much for all your help. Carolyn



> Carolyn, is this your webpage? Here's a lady who seems to believe she's
> traced the family back to Jedburgh:
>
> http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=54604103&categoryID=0&IsSticky=0&groupID=103523353&Mytoken=FF628D8F-5312-4176-B2BFA4CF324DF9AD6178712
>
> "
>
> Fourth Generation
> 12. Laird Robert ELLIOT (Robert, Robert, Gavin) was born 1695 in Jedburgh,
> Midlem Mill, Roxburghshire, Scotland. He died 1768 in Cumberland Co.,
> PA.Robert is said to have gone to find work in Danzig, West Prussia, where
> he married Mary Johnston. She was the daughter of Thomas Johnston, of
> Scot-Irish descent & Mary Schneider of West Prussia. Robert & Mary had
> three sons. Mary died ca. 1722 after the birth of their 3rd
> child.******Now, to try and shed some light upon this Robert's right to
> the title Laird:The official information in the book "The ELLIOTS" The
> story of a border clan written by The Dowager Lady Eliott of Stobs & Sir
> Arthur Eliott 11th Baronet of Stobs states that Gilbert was the next to
> inherit and that the line became extinct afterwards BUT in the chapter on
> the Elliots of Midlem Mill you will find the following excerpt:'Then in
> May 1753 Robert died leaving a heavy debt to Colonel William Elliot of
> Wells. Later, the question of "Gavin's having an elder brother !
> of whom you have no record?" is asked of him (in the official Elliot book
> bottom page 134 and top of page 135).It was common for a 'natural child'
> to not be put in the baptismal records but still be considered heir
> apparent and have rights to title and other priviledges of a child born in
> the marriage if the father so desired. At that time there were no laws to
> prevent the father from making that decision.
> Robert married (1-MRIN:108) Mary JOHNSTON on 1717 in Danzig, West Prussia.
> Mary was born 1695 in Danzig, West Prussia. She died 1722 in Danzig, West
> Prussia.
>
> They had the following children:
> 25 M i. Johnston ELLIOTT was born 1719 in Danzig, West Prussia.
> 26 M ii. John ELLIOTT was born 11 May 1721 in Danzig, West Prussia.
> 27 M iii. Edward ELLIOTT was born 17 Apr 1722 in Danzig, West Prussia.
>
> Robert also married2 (2-MRIN:107) Mary RAINEY on 1724 in Enniskillen,
> County Fermanagh, Ireland. Mary was born 1705 in Enniskillen, County
> Fermanagh, Ireland.Robert and his sons then went Enniskillen, County
> Fermanagh, Ireland, where possibly other members of his Elliot family had
> gone earlier. He married 1724 Mary raimey born in Ireland. They had ten
> children and then emigrated to America in 1737 and settled on a farm seven
> miles north of carlisle, in Cumberland County, PA. In 1750 the portion of
> Lanchaster County in which the Elliotts settled (Middleton Township)
> became part of Cumberland County. Franklin County was created in 1784 from
> the portion of cumberland County in which the Elliotts lived.Robert died
> ca 1768 Cumberland County, PA, as his will probated 7 June 1768. Mary's
> death date is unknown due to the fact that she out lived her husband and
> he had provided for her needs in his will. Women did not make wills in
> those times.With the move to Ireland the spelling of !
> Elliot was changed to Elliott probably because the person recording the
> baptisms spelled Elliott in that manner for Robert signed his will with
> 'his mark.'
>
> They had the following children:
> 28 M iv. William ELLIOTT was born 21 Sep 1725 in Enniskillen, County
> Fermanagh, Ireland.
> 29 F v. Margaret ELLIOTT was born 2 Oct 1726 in Enniskillen, County
> Fermanagh, Ireland. She died 8 Sep 1821 in Cumberland Co., PA.
> Margaret married (MRIN:109) William CLARK on 1784 in Cumberland Co., PA.
> + 30 M vi. Robert ELLIOTT was born 1727 and died 1763.
> 31 F vii. Mary ELLIOTT was born 1728 in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh,
> Ireland.
> 32 F viii. Grisell ELLIOTT was born 1729 in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh,
> Ireland.
> 33 M ix. Thomas ELLIOTT was born 8 May 1730 in Enniskillen, County
> Fermanagh, Ireland. He died in Pennsylvania.
> 34 F x. Ann ELLIOTT was born 1731 in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh,
> Ireland. She died in Pennsylvania.
> 35 M xi. David ELLIOTT was born 1731 in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh,
> Ireland. He died in Pennsylvania.
> 36 M xii. James ELLIOTT was born 7 Feb 1733 in Enniskillen, County
> Fermanagh, Ireland. He died in Pennsylvania.
> 37 M xiii. Edward ELLIOTT was born 1735 in Enniskillen, County Fermanagh,
> Ireland.
>
> Fifth Generation
> 30. Robert ELLIOTT (Robert, Robert, Robert, Gavin) was born 1727 in
> Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, Ireland. He died 1763 in Cumberland Co.,
> PA.
> Robert married3 (MRIN:106) Ellinora UNKNOWN on 1747 in Cumberland Co., PA.
> Ellinora was born 1726 in Lanchaster, PA. She died 1761 in Pennsylvania.
>
> They had the following children:
> + 38 M i. Johnston ELLIOTT II was born 1748 and died 27 Oct 1802.
> 39 M ii. William ELLIOTT was born 1750 in Pennsylvania. He died 20 Mar
> 1805.
> 40 F iii. Elizabeth ELLIOTT was born 1752 in Cumberland Co., PA.
> 41 F iv. Catherine ELLIOTT was born 1754 in Cumberland Co., PA.
> 42 F v. Barbara ELLIOTT was born 1754 in Cumberland Co., PA.
> 43 F vi. Jane ELLIOTT was born 1758 in Cumberland Co., PA.
> 44 M vii. Thomas ELLIOTT was born 1761 in Cumberland Co., PA.
>
> Sixth Generation
> 38. Johnston ELLIOTT II (Robert ELLIOTT, Robert, Robert, Robert, Gavin)
> was born 1748 in Cumberland Co., PA. He died 27 Oct 1802 in Franklin Co.,
> PA and was buried 30 Oct 1802 in Lower Path Cemetery, Franklin Co., PA.
> Johnston married4 (MRIN:105) Rebecca MAYS on 1768 in Mercersburg, Franklin
> Co., PA. Rebecca was born 1750 in Pennsylvania. She died 19 Apr 1813 in
> Franklin Co., PA and was buried 22 Apr 1813 in Lower Path Cemetery,
> Franklin Co., PA.
>
> They had the following children:
> 45 F i. Ellinora ELLIOTT was born 1769 in Mercersburg, Franklin Co., PA.
> She died Jan 1799 in Pennsylvania.
> 46 F ii. Rebecca ELLIOTT was born 4 Nov 1770 in Mercersburg, Franklin Co.,
> PA. She died 1830 in Pennsylvania.
> 47 M iii. Andrew ELLIOTT was born 24 Oct 1772 in Mercersburg, Franklin
> Co., PA.
> 48 F iv. Mary ELLIOTT was born 1774 in Mercersburg, Franklin Co., PA.
> 49 M v. James ELLIOTT was born 3 Mar 1776 in Mercersburg, Franklin Co.,
> PA.
> + 50 M vi. Johnston ELLIOTT III was born 25 Jun 1780 and died 1859.
> 51 F vii. Barbara ELLIOTT was born 14 Feb 1776 in Mercersburg, Franklin
> Co., PA.
> 52 M viii. William ELLIOTT was born 1784 in Mercersburg, Franklin Co., PA.
> 53 F ix. Susannah ELLIOTT was born 1786 in Mercersburg, Franklin Co., PA.
> 54 F x. Jane ELLIOTT was born 1789 in Mercersburg, Franklin Co., PA.
>
> .....
> 1 "THE ELLIOTTS" Tale of a Norder Clan , approx. pages 131 thru 137.
> 2 info from the books Elliotts of Casey Co..
> 3 info from the books Elliotts of Casey Co..
> 4 info from the books Elliotts of Casey Co..
> 5 Johnston Elliott & Susannah Austin M.R., top of page.
> 6 Casey Co. marriage record.
> 7
> However the only sources this lady gives are a couple books. She doesn't
> bother to provide real footnotes. Without gathering additional proof from
> primary sources, this remains a fairy tale, unless the books she
> references provide references themselves to actual marriage records (etc)
> in Jedburgh and Danzig. Some one needs to locate these. Since the family
> is titled, unless the whole thing is a fantasy (and it won't be the
> first), it should be possible to research them in Scotland.
>
> Linda Merle
>


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