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Subject: Re: [S-I] Salt Lake City - Anderson in PA
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:49:10 +0000 (UTC)
Hi Nancy, thanks for all the notes. My family has been researching these Andersons for three generations. I think my Uncle Ralph is the first on our line, then my mother, my sister, and me. I haven't done a lot in a few years because I've been busy with other people's work. This will be a trip to do a client's work, but I hope I'll have a little time for my Andersons. I did research in Ireland on two trips as well and got some notes on Andersons in Antrim, not Donegal. They're all Is, btw.
As far as I know we did not Intermarry with Elders and we did not live in Derry Twp but further north in what is now Washington twp. We know exactly where they were because of his will and of course the patent for the land. There were many John Andersons in Westmoreland Co as well as back east. One of the keys is the precise religion. Mine were Covenantors, not Presbyterian. They met in my ancestor's home till he died in 1814, when they founded three churches: Puckety, Manchester, and Westminister. My lines are in Butler, so after John (probably buried on his land), they are buried in Westminister. None of these places are near Derry.
Mine also are not from Donegal but Antrim -- though it is said in oral history collected by a cousin (from INdiana Co PA) that they had TIES into Donegal. As all the Andersons tested so far in Co Antrim are I's -- it is not surprising yours are too. There were Andersons in the Bushmills area in 1630. Most likely they came as part of the McDonald army in the 1550s or later. After 500 years in Ireland, we're Irish.
At least in this country, there is no evidence that I've seen that we're related to Elders or any o fthe lines documented in the usual sources -- Egle, etc. These are the things you start with. We started with them a long time ago, but my ancestors are not covered in these standard compiled genealogy books. I guess it is up to us!! I hope to get us into the First Families of Pittsburgh in the next year. Shouldn't be hard -- just a matter of filling out the paper-work, except that I was switching my system of organizing so it's a mess right now till that's done. My Anderson line is here: http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merle/Family/index.htm .
Probably my ancestors lived (in eastern/central PA) in what is now Franklin Co (obit of daughter), which is where people were settling in the 1770s when they arrived. I know where the Covenantor communities there were. And I know there were actually not a lot of Andersons there. More to the east. So I need to set down with tax and militia lists looking for a man there before the Revolution who is gone afterwards. Hopefully I'll have some time to do that in Salt Lake unless my client's family can be found. For him I'll be researching in Ireland. Hard to find information on them as they were Irish who at some point assimilated into Scotch Irish. We had two people do some estate work for us, but I'm not convinced they did a thorough job. Will check deeds of known landlords hoping to find more info. And some half-checked 1642 muster lists.
I didn't know about the book in Carnegie Library (as I've not done Anderson work there in maybe 10 years -- just for several clients). I plan on going there in the next week or so. Do you want anything checked?? This is another trip for a client. I can do a fast check of something but nothing that takes hours as the time is booked. That's my usual problem, plus what little time I had I spent trying to track down the brothers of my paternal grandfather. They are missing in action. One presumedly died in Washington Co after 1963, since he was alive when my grandfather died. No obit in the Pittsburgh papers (checked index).....so must go to Washington Co to check the local papers there. Arrrg!!!! Name is too common to be able to get a bead on him in the SSI.
Thanks a lot for this info on Andersons, esp. that these ones are I's too.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nancy Elder Petersen" <>
Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:14:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [S-I] Salt Lake City - Anderson in PA
Using the OCLC library search on WorldCat, I recently found
an available copy of the "ELDER - ANDERSON"
book about their move from PAXTANG PA to Westmoreland Co PA,
by John Calvin ELDER.
"PAXTANG ELDER" DNA is I = Viking,
so different than our "FRANKLIN CO PA" DNA (R1b) group,
but early PA locations were nearby.
My local library requested an Interlibrary loan
from Augustana College in Sioux Falls, South Dakota.
One of the SHIELDS-ANDERSON-ELDER family apparently
donated the book to the College in South Dakota.
Carnegie Library of Pittsburgh also has a copy, but non-circulating.
Their online catalog entry:
Author: Elder, John Calvin.
Title: "Genealogy and historical record of the Anderson and Elder families of the Richlands of Derry Township, Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania, who settled there in 1783"
Publisher: New Alexandria, Pa. : the Author, 1938.
Description: 52 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.
LOCATION: CALL # STATUS
CLP Main Pennsylvania Dept. (Oakland) - Reference Stack Area
r 929.2 E437 NONCIRCULATING
Also in LDS library:
book: 929.273 An23
FHL US/CAN Film 1320881 Item 10
My file notes:
Page 16: ANDERSON FAMILY
..."There is little doubt that the Andersons of Scotland were distant ancestors and that some of the families had moved to Ireland, as Robert ELDER [of PAXTANG] had done."
"Thomas ANDERSON was born in Donegal, Ireland. In 1725 came with his parents to America. About 1745 they settled in Donegal, Lancaster Co PA. Later he lived with his sister, Hannah who was married to David Elder of Paxtang, above Harrisburg....
"In 1783 Hannah Anderson ELDER, now a widow, together with her son
Robert and his wife and their children, Hannah, aged three,
and Thomas, aged one year, and her brother, Thomas Anderson, emigrated with the Anderson Colony and settled on that tract of land on the Richlands near New Alexandria, Pennsylvania, which her brother, Thomas, had taken up for her in 1769. This tract was called Hannesburg....She was ninety-six years old when she died and is buried in the Old Salem Churchyard. Beside her illustrious brother, Thomas Anderson, there also is buried her son Robert, who died in 1834, aged 80, and his wife, Mary Whiteside, who died in 1823, age 68 years."
Spouse: JEAN ELDER
Marriage: 20 APR 1772
Upper West Conococheague Presbyterian,
Mercersburg, Franklin, Pennsylvania
Batch No.: M507131
1769 - 1812
974.8 B2P V.15 Book
Greensburg, Pa. Will Book 1, p. 197
John Elder of Fannett Twp, Franklin Co PA dated Feb. 17, 1795;
son John all my lands on south or southeast of 3 Spring Run in Fannett Twp; soninlaw Robert Patton; grandau Elizabeth Patton; son David Elder; son John Elder; soninlaw Joshua Anderson;
Exrs: sons David & John and soninlaw Joshua Anderson.
Wit: David Anderson, John Anderson, probate Dec. 22, 1804
Egle's chapter in "PENNSYLVANIA GENEALOGIES",
entries for PAXTANG ELDER in Westmoreland Co PA
V. DAVID ELDER,2 (Robert,1) b. 1710; d. 1753;
m. in 1730, HANNAH ANDERSON, of Donegal;
d. about 1811, in Westmoreland county.
They had issue:
17. i. Robert, b. 1751; m. Mary Whiteside.
--Nancy Elder Petersen
Volunteer Host, ELDER DNA project
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