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From: "Edward Andrews" <>
Subject: Re: [S-I] Lisburn Cathedral
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 14:50:58 +0100
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Thank you very much Linda.
Edward

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [S-I] Lisburn Cathedral
>
> Hi Ed,
>
> I wouldn't use UHF, myself. I'd wonder: Is the person you are talking to
> trained in genealogy or is he/she a clerk? What record transcriptions is
> the person looking at? I've never had a good experience with the staff
> there being able to find stuff for me. Maybe my bad karma, but I suspect
> not. So why are you introducing a lot of complex variables into your
> search when you do not have to?
>
> It's 2009 and we now have other ways to go about this. Actually we have
> had for quite some time. Two ways, the first not recommended unless you
> are flat out of money. that is to order the indexes on microfilm for civil
> registration from your FHL and spend a few evenings looking at them. Then
> you'd have to order the microfilm that has the actual events. Slow but
> cheap. Details at www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa . DON'T! Very miserable....
>
> Instead use http://www.emeraldancestors.com . It is a website with the
> civil registration indexes and transcribed the records on line. You can
> search for free and get partial results that can tell you if you found the
> right marriage/birth/death. I did a free search and got:
> 1894
> george
>
> harriett
> FRYARS Antrim / Down
> View more detials
> This looks like your guys to me. This is again Civil Registration, NOT
> church records. A legal record that the law required, so they're more
> complete and a heck of a lot easier to use than church records. Once you
> have the legal marriage dates you can go to the church (legal record will
> tell you who married them) and scare up the church record if you like.
>
> > By the Way the UHF don't have all the Births
> Yes -- another reason to not use them. There are more complicated tasks
> you can use them for....I don't mean to cast aspersions on them......but
> for this I use the following..... the website I mentioned yesterday:
> ttp://www.irish-roots.ie/
>
> They got something. I searched for Harriett Fryars and got
> Church Marriage Fryars Harriett 1894 Co. Antrim I
then
> searched for George Innes and got
> Church Marriage Ennis George 1894 Co. Antrim
> Based on this match I'd spring for the money to look at the rest of the
> details. It would appear that whoever you talked to couldn't navigate too
> well through the records UHF has or your information caused them to look
> in the wrong spot....donno....who cares! There's your marriage -- the
> civil and the church records. Fork over the $$$ and then you can start
> working on the great grandparents....
>
> Happy hunting,
>
> Linda Merle
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward Andrews" <>
> To:
> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 2:43:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [S-I] Lisburn Cathedral
>
> When my mother died at the age of 98 last year, I decided that I really
> should get on with some actual genealogical research rather than just
> looking at the history.
>
> This was made easier when the Irish 1911 Census came on line.
>
>
>
> I got the family. Then address wasn't what my mother hand told me, but
> then neither was my Grandfather's address on the Covenant. The names and
> dates of birth were all correct. There are not a lot of Innes and Harriet
> Nora is not a common set of Christian names.
>
>
>
> It was when I went to my Grandparent's marriage on the Ulster Historical
> Foundation that I had problems.
>
> The Census put my grandparent's wedding 1894/95. And I simply couldn't
> find
> a GEORGE INNES in Lisburn in that time scale. I then looked for a HARRIET
> FRYARS and bingo. Certainly the right woman (even though her census DOB
> and
> her Marriage record don't add up. The big problem is that the groom on the
> record is given as GEORGE JAMES.
>
>
>
> I rang up the Ulster Historical Foundation and they checked and told me
> that was what they had in their source.
>
>
>
> Has anyone got access to the Lisburn Cathedral Register for 1894 to see if
> there is a transcription error?
>
>
>
> By the Way the UHF don't have all the Births All I can find are my
> Paternal
> Grandmother, and that is with my parents birth certificates so I know that
> they should be there.
>
> Thanks
>
> Edward
>
>
>
> Only by recovering prophetic and objective modes of preaching, in
> faithfulness to the gospel of Christ crucified and in contradiction to
> society's profane habits and priorities, can we truly challenge our dying
> culture and reveal to it its own possibilities for resurrection.
> Alan E Lewis. "Between Cross and Resurrection. A Theology of Holy
> Saturday"
> Eerdmans 2001 p 377
>
>
>
>
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