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Subject: Re: [S-I] Irish Surnames
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:29:11 +0000
Hi Ed, no. You buy MacLysaght "The Surnames of Ireland" in a bookstore or over the Internet. Or find it in your local library.
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From: "Edward Stephenson" <>
> >The first thing I did, which turned out to be KEY (I am amazed myself) is to
> look the surname up in an Irish surname book.<
> Was this surname book online?
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> Today's Topics:
> 1. New Irish genealogy Resources ()
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> Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:26:55 +0000
> Subject: [S-I] New Irish genealogy Resources
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> Hi folk,
> Some of you may know this but in case you don't, here's some resources. Most
> will let you search free. You pay for records but you can avoid paying a lot for
> the wrong records.
> 1. http://www.emeraldancestors.com/. I've mentioned before. Northern Ireland.
> Free searches. Civil Registration indexes on line.
> 2. http://www.ukisearch.com/ agregates stuff on the web.
> 3. www.irish-roots.ie/ The Irish Family History Foundation has been combining
> the indexes from all the county centers so you can search. You are then directed
> to the ones with the records. In some cases at least you can order on line or
> view the record. Not all counties are on line. It changes almost daily. Sub to
> their eletter. They'll be glad to alert you to new counties. I'm waiting on
> 4. www.irishgenealogy.ie also has on line search of indexes. Gotta write to
> get the actual info. Check 3 before you do.
> Anyway, using these (well, 3 and 4) I am making headway on a problem. The
> problem was declared unsolvable by a very well known researcher 5 years ago in
> Salt Lake who doesn't do Irish genealogy but felt he/she could voice the opinion
> that this problem was unsolvable.
> The first thing I did, which turned out to be KEY (I am amazed myself) is to
> look the surname up in an Irish surname book. There I learned that the surname,
> which seems as English or Scots as one could get, had an Irish source. It is a
> Connacht name and the immigrant claimed to be from Limerick. I learned it is
> known to be a Connacht name, the Englished version of an Irish surname. At this
> point I didn't know a lot about the family except that they had come over to the
> US about 1860 and were Catholic. They were well educated people who quickly
> obtained middle class jobs at a time when discrimination against Irish was
> rampant. Descendents believed they were Scots.
> I searched 3 weeks for a birth record in 1860 -- nada in Limerick. I found 2
> instances of the first and last name in Galway. Thought maybe ancestor was wrong
> about birth county as they left the following year. In this case I was just
> ascertaining if any records could be found. Decided yes and agreed to work on
> Went back to American issues: highly paid Salt Lake person who doesn't do
> Irish genealogy could find them in the 1870 census but not the 1880. Salt Lake
> did find in 1900, in nearby county. Thirty year gap.
> I decided to try the Irish verson of the name. BINGO! There they were in the
> first county. Other thing noticed in various censuses that was not conveyed to
> client by Salt Lake: family indicated Irish spoken at home. Asked client.
> Father did speak Irish. Later censuses got confused (immigrant long dead). One
> dau claimed her father was born in Northern Ireland in the 1930 census. There
> are some Scots of this surname in Ulster but probably Protestant (surname
> associated with Reformation and titled in Scotland). So.... thinking she is
> wrong. Now sure of it. Think she bought the line that the family was Scots (no
> doubt told to deflect bigotry) and figured he was from Ulster.
> However reason no records were found in Limerick 3 weeks ago was it wasn't on
> line. Limerick came on line April 3 at www.irishroots.ie. Guess what? NO birth
> records of Englished surname. Are a couple at the other site indicating indexing
> irregularities (illegible or hard to read--always find these). However when I
> searched the Irish version of the surname.....a gazillion!!! They were there
> but hiding from us.
> Four possibilities for ancestor's birth record in Limerick about 1860.
> Immigrant WAS born in Limerick, I'll wager. We got the names of his parents so
> we can check certificates.
> So! Had I NOT looked up the surname in my handy-dandy Irish surname book, I'd
> never have found these guys in Ireland or the 1880 census. Had I not rechecked
> the on line indexes I'd not have realized Limerick was now on line.
> So I conclude -- don't believe what you are told by people who don't do Irish
> genealogy even if they did just lifted a large sum of money from you. And
> always, always look up the surname in a surname book. A surname book and on
> line indexes can get you further than a high paid Salt Lake genealogist (who
> doesnt' do Irish genealogy and so shouldn't be telling people what is and isn't
> impossible to do). If you've been told such, you can always ask us here, by the
> way. Our opinons are free, if not always correct either !!
> Bad news for the Scotch Irish: this sept also lived in west Ulster where they
> became Mitchells. Arrg!! There's a zillion of them everywhere it seems. I got
> them in Stirling, Scotland, where there's so many you can't sort out the ones in
> just that county. My Scottish ones are probably Scots though.
> So God bless this family for spilling the beans to the census man about their
> real surname one time. It showed they did know the Irish version of their name.
> Nothing like cutting ties...... emigrate and change your surname and claim you
> are Scots. No wonder we can't find our ancestors !!
> They didn't make it easy.
> Hope your day is as good as mine ....and it's only 9:19... I just hope I don't
> go outside and get run down by a bus as punishment for clicking my heels.
> Linda Merle
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