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Subject: Re: [S-I] Missing McComb Journal(s) -Clan MacThomas South
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 20:57:21 +0000
Hi Jeffry, I'm confused. What journal?? Give me Name of journal, and I can look for it. I am busy and don't have the time to guess at which source you are referring to, and frankly, I can't tell.
I would start (BTW) looking in the FHL catalog. Worldcat is another. If you supply the country in which the journal was published, that might help find it too. Is this journal published in Scotland, Ireland, England, the USA???? If USA, see if it is indexed in Persi. Otherwise you can check the major indexes to these other countries. See www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa for info on the indexes.
Best of luck,
Linda Merle
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> Patrons
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> I need the Journal that Roger F Pye referred too at the end of his
> MCCOLM of
> Galloway or our Clan MacThomas South. The MacThomas families that
> jumped the straights between Scotland and N Ireland. Its very to
> frustrating
> that I can not find this Journal, not even sure what number it is. It
> is only
> referred to at the end of this Journal which I will post below. Due to
> Copy write
> reasons from both the Clan MacThomas Society or with Ancestry.com, I
> cant not post the whole article, however I can post parts of it so I
> will forward
> the last half.
> I guess you can say that this is just a big regrouping effort which
> Im trying to lead, I do need everyone's help to make this work. I have
> more
> documents from Scotland then I do the USA, and I can post names all day
> long everyday for 6 months, all kinds of variations and all kinds of
> histories to
> go with it. The problem is we are still stuck in the USA or IRELAND at
> least those
> of us whom last names are spelt MCCOMB and later MCCOMB and MACOMB,
> this one
> journal can spell it ALL out to ALL of us, once and for all.
>
> If any of you have it,seen it, read it, or know where I can get it,
> please let me know.
> I will be sure to share it with all of you. Both Clans have been on the
> MacThomas List,
> not sure about any more..
> See below>
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> >FWD: McColms of Galloway ( Clan MacThomas South ) Journal # 13
>
> From Cape Wrath to the
> Mull of Galloway As early as 1479 we find one John Makcom holding a
> tenement in
> the parish of Wigtown, (1) in the county of same name and, if we are to
> accept
> the MacThomas origin of the McColms, we must conclude that about the
> same time
> that Tomaidh Mr left Garvamore and led his clan Southeastward to their
> new home
> in Glenshee, some member of his family made his way in the opposite
> direction,
> towards what is now Fort William, some thirty miles to the South-west
> of
> Garvamore, and there took to the sea, eventually settling in Galloway
> (2). It
> would of course only have required one such fifteenth century migrant
> to account
> for all the McColms of the South-west and their offshoots, whom it will
> be
> useful to classify collectively by the name of Clan Thomas South (3)
> In early times the spelling of the name was exceedingly variable, and
> Dr. Black
> (4) mentions the following examples; all of them in the vicinity of
> Galloway:
> Gilchrist Makcome at Cassillis (Ayrshire) in 1526, Roger M'Com at
> Netherglen (
> Kirkcudbright ) in 1679; Robert McKome at Carsfern (Kirkcudbright ) in
> 1684, and
> in the same year further individuals in Wigtownshire and Minnigaff
> (Kirkcudbright ) using the spellings McColm, McCome and McKcom. Besides
> these
> examples of Black's I have found Bessie and Jean M'Comb referred to in
> relation
> to the lands of Kildonan, in Wigtownshire, in 1634 and 1636
> respectively (5), It
> is suggestive that the early chiefs of Clan MacThomas in Glenshee (or
> Clan
> Thomas North, as we may term it) themselves seem to have used the
> patronymic
> McColme, as we may infer from the fourth chief, Robert McColme of the
> Thom, but
> after the latter s death this patronymic appears to have been
> discontinued among
> the Glenshee tribe in favour of that of McComie, and it seems doubtful
> whether
> it has survived except among the McColms of Galloway.
> Although, as has been demonstrated, the early spelling was very
> variable, it has
> become fixed in Scotland for some time as McColm. By the mid-sixteenth
> century
> some of this family had crossed the narrow straits between Galloway and
> the
> North-east coast of Ireland, where the name has become standardised as
> McComb
> ******** ( with which sept we shall deal in a future issue )*********,
> while others seem to have
> crossed to Kintyre by the end of the seventeenth century (6).
> In spite of the facilities afforded by modern forms of transport for
> the
> dispersal of families, the regional distribution of the McColms in
> Scotland has
> remained remarkably constant right down to the present, and a
> comparatively
> recent consultation of the telephone directories for all Scotland
> revealed that
> of a total of 33 subscribers surnamed McColm, no less than 29 dwelt in
> the South
> West ( 18 in Wigtownshire, 1 in Ayrshire and 10 in the Glasgow area),
> while in
> the rest of Scotland there were only 4 ( 1 in Edinburgh, 1 in Fife, 1
> in Banff
> and 1 in Inverness).
> R.F.P.
>
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>
> 1 ) P. H. M'Kerlie, History of the lands and Their Owners in Galloway,
> 1906,
> Vol. II, p.161
> 2 ) See map issue 1
> 3 ) In the same way as the Macdonalds of Islay and Kintyre, and
> McDonnells of
> Antrim, were known as Clan Donald South..
> 4 ) Surnames of Scotland, 1946.
> 5 ) P. H. M'Kerlie, op. cit. Vol. I, p. 312.
> 6 ) Mr. Colin Campbell, the well known armorist, of Belmont,
> Massachusetts,
> kindly informed me that he had found a couple of references to M'Combs
> or
> M'Comys at Campbelltown, in 1680, and went on to explain that < There
> were
> numerous families brought into Kintyre from Ayrshire and the Lowlands
> after the
> Argylls acquired the peninsula early in the 17th century-a systematic
> , and this may explain the presence of McCombs >.
> 7. These last two may possibly belong to a different sept, long in the
> neighbourhood of Inverness, of which Black (op. cit.) mentions Angus
> McThome, in
> Petty, in 1502.
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> > end FWD:
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