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From: "Liam Martin" <>
Subject: Re: [S-I] Latest pass at mapping Some Related Ulster families
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 00:27:49 +0100
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Re :- "Note ALL the different surnames. One of my clients is there --
Scotch Irish Protestants who arrived in America in the 1770s. We don't know
yet if
his ancestors did a stint in Scotland and returned -- or perhaps the Isle of
Mann, where the surname is found too. However we do know they toasted hot
dogs together with the rest of Niall's ancestors on the land bridge between
England and Ireland <grin>."


"A HISTORY OF IRELAND AND HER PEOPLE" by ELEANOR HULL - 1931 to be found at
the URL

http://www.libraryireland.com/HullHistory/Contents.php

has an odd reference in Volume II, Chapter I

James I and Ireland

"Catholics from Scotland came flocking into Ulster to escape the severe
penal laws "which gave them no rest" in their own country. They settled on
the estates of the Earl of Abercorn and of Sirs William and Richard
Hamilton, and of other Scottish nobles who welcomed them on their properties
in accordance with the planters' desire to encourage English and Scottish
tenants. It looked as if the efforts of James to make Ulster Protestant as a
part of his "civilizing" policy were destined to failure, and that Ulster
would speedily become as Catholic as the South; the Bishop of Derry
complained to Claude, Master of Abercorn, that his diocese had become "a
sink for all the corrupt humours purged out of Scotland." It is probable
that many families of the present population of the North, looked down upon
by the Protestant interest as Irish Catholics, are descendants of this
immigration of Catholic Scots."

Those of us researching the origins of our families would presume that, if
they were Catholic, they would not have originated in Scotland. Yet history
records that many Catholics from Scotland took part in the "Plantation of
Ulster" Is there any detailed record of these events which would enable the
descendants of the Scots Catholics, as distinct from the Scots
Presbyterians, to trace their ancestors? Did the SCs stay in Ireland and
constitute "a sink for all the corrupt humours purged out of Scotland "or
did they migrate to North America along with many of their SP countrymen?

Are there Presbyterian/RC alleles? Can the genetic technologies you describe
delineate both the origins and affiliations of individuals and groups among
the Scots-Irish diaspora?


Liam

"A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat"

(PS Clearly Nail's wife was neither a "devout Catholic", a "staunch
Protestant" nor a "strict Presbyterian")


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