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Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Scotch Irish DNA Projects
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 18:51:07 +0000
Nothing's wrong, except that it is not what our ancestors who went to Australia called themselves or what our ancestors who stayed in Ulster called themselves. I said "Global", not Pennsylvania.
And I'm tired of fighting about the name, frankly. Want something globally acceptable that is not a red flag for people whose DNA I hope I DON'T share, but, checking out my brothers,
I probably unfortunately do. (they love fighting about anything).
I live here in Pennsylvania and since having this thought, no earthquakes. So I think the ancestors are okay with this <grin>. Though if someone else starts a Scotch Irish project before I do, I'll join it -- it'll mean THEY have to do the work, not me. So by all means rush and start a project. Please, I beg you, steal this idea and save our sacred name!
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From: "JCNESBITT" <>
> What is wrong with "Scotch-Irish" since this is what our ancestors who came
> to Pennsylvania in the pre-Civil War called themselves?
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> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 1:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Scotch Irish DNA Projects
> > Hi Audrey, I am also admining a surname project to be (doesn't exist yet)
> > and we're added to about 4 other projects right now. The software at
> > www.familytreedna.com hasn't restricted us to two. Of course maybe a
> > rocket is aimed at my house right now and I'll soon be blown up for being
> > on four projects . We'll probably drop out of all but the Irish one
> > which is the only one whose DNA samples closely resemble my client's. The
> > Scots clan thang just doesn't look promising.....
> > I personally am tired of "Scotch-Irish" for a name and as we're looking at
> > this as another project of the not yet born cyber Scotch Irish Society
> > that is world wide, we need another name for the society and the DNA
> > project that would be recognisable world wide rather than id an American
> > ethnic group. ....Scots-Irish, Ulster Scots ???? Ideas, anyone??
> > Feedback??
> > It would be nice to find a name that included all Irish Protestant
> > minorities since you end
> > up researching them the same way in the same records (these records
> > probably wouldn't have Catholics: like 1600's muster rolls).
> > The benefit of it, for those ....wondering, is that for a common surname
> > like Thompson,
> > you would not have to 'sort through' all the DNA in England, Scotland,
> > etc, etc. There in one spot would be THompson lines suspected or known to
> > have been in Ireland. While some might hope to trace the line to Scotland
> > or England.....as you move back in time you'd have to consider a different
> > DNA profile, projecting backwards from mutations that occured after they
> > moved to Ireland. You'd want to compile and analyze the 1700's Irish
> > stuff, and then deduce the parent haploid and try to find it in the prior
> > home. Or maybe I'm not understanding DNA stuff yet!
> > My client only has 25 markers with 37 pending. Still we are able to tell
> > he's not of Norse
> > ancestry, not from the Border area of Scotland/ENgland, not from the clan
> > he'd hoped,
> > not related to the McDonalds, not descended from Niall....okay, but where
> > are his
> > ancestors??? A couple 25/25 matches in various places of Ireland.....It's
> > a Mc name
> > so it could have multiple sources, some Scots, some Irish....Where oh
> > where....At
> > least he's a 25 marker match for a cousin. That's encouraging ! I
> > gotta get to work
> > on me dad, but no one's doing DNA research on our surname in our county in
> > England
> > so DNA is not fast for us either. We're from the English borders --
> > probably a border tribe,
> > but we have a occupational surname: Mason.
> > Linda Merle
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> > From: "Audrey Hancock"
> >> Thank you for the listing.
> >> I know on FT DNA they allow one to join and apply their markers to two
> >> projects...so a surname project and one of those below might work for
> >> Scotch-Irish people...unless one wants to start one called Scotch-Irish.
> >> Audrey
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> >> From: HOPE A. CARNICLE [mailto:]
> >> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:18 AM
> >> To:
> >> Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Scotch Irish DNA Projects
> >> Although there are not any DNA projects specific to Scoth-Irish
> >> there are several I found that may fit somewhat
> >> Following are a few that I extracted (Project name - members)
> >> British Isles 634
> >> Ireland Heritage Y-D 452
> >> Ireland mtDNA 66
> >> Irish Families 13
> >> Nordic & Celtic DNA 90
> >> Border_Reivers 205
> >> DonegalBay & Fermana 29
> >> Ireland Heritage Y-D 452
> >> Scotland 85
> >> Scottish Clans 139
> >> Hope Carnicle
> >> Freeman DNA Project