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From: "Linda Merle" <>
Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Fw: [Q-R] Edenderry (near Dublin?), Ireland quaker records and/or site
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 08:59:12 -0800
I cannot tell you if the Quaker meeting is on line. I seriously doubt it. She should do a google. The
Irish Quaker records are still rather obscure because they
were not transcribed. So before they can be 'put on line'
one must locate individuals who can read 17th century handwriting and are willing to do this free for a very long time. I can't myself read this stuff and I already got a
headache so I would not volunteer for such a hideous project.
I've seen the originals on film and they are very very hard
to read <grin>!! Maybe we will find a dedicated, rich person
with the patience, aspirin, and ability to do this. I sure
hope so! The resulting book would be a steal at $100.
If you check the archives of the list you will find a lot
of info on the availability of Quaker records as I did a
'mind dump' after I figured this out a couple years ago.
Folks need to check Falley -- the authority on Irish records. As she is in most libraries, I don't have to repeat what the chapter
says. "Irish and Scotch-Irish Ancestral Research" is the
name of the book. Researchers have to consult
this reference to make progress with Irish genealogy. She has
chapters on Methodist records, Presbyterian, etc. Unfortunately
folks don't read books so they don't get too far with their
Irish genealogy. It does (alas) require reading books to
get enough information to understand where to look for records.
Some of the records are filmed and in LDS, however there is the
problem of indexes. There is an index for the Ulster
records in the Deputy Keepers Report of 1951-53. IT and film
of all these records are in Swarthmore.
However Edenbury records are in Dublin. One can go there or use
Swarthmore, which has film. LDS may have film too -- all
one has to do to find them is go to www.familysearch.org
and use the catalog. It's not that easy of course --it's
a pain to find things. If she wants to know if they are
there I'd be glad to try to find them in the catalog.
I can't recall if they are in LDS or not.....Anyone checking
these at Swarthmore or Dublin needs to read the chapter
in Falley to understand the types of records and how they
are organized. Ie it would be really stupid to make the
effort to search the Edenbury Monthly Meetings and to not
also check other types of records that may also include
members of the Edenbury meeting.
For example there are wills that include Edenbury wills
from 1628 to 1763. These are I believe included on an
Irish source CD. Also Eustace and Goodbody included
abstracts of these in "Qauker Records, Dublin, Abstracts of
Wills". This is aval. as a book and on CD. I got the CD
and will fire it up.
The biggest pain is an index. The Deputy Keeper's index
of the Ulster records is sparce but makes it possible to
find things. The handwriting is nightmarish....without
an index prepared by folk who can read the handwriting it
is next to impossible to read the records from the 1600s
and early 1700s. I am not sure what index there is of the
Dublin holdings except for the stuff that has been published
like the wills.
Also the Quakers have done a huge amount of work at putting
stuff on line. Mostly this was, the last time I checked,
American records. The Irish records are difficult to get
access to and difficult to use and read, but maybe things
will change. These are records to use as a final resort.
However the answer to her question is obvious: she moved!!!
The Quaker community maintained close ties across the pond.
Business ties were esp. important. Perhaps she married
a man and then emigrated or emigrated to marry. Or her family
emigrated or she went to live with cousins or other relatives
in America. US records probably would give some insight at
far less pain than Irish.
From personal experience: There's a lot more in Swarthmore
than is published, filmed in LDS, or available on the web.
So if she's not been to Swarthmore she's not done a thorough
stufy of American records -- and so she could be missing the
answer to her question. If she married in or out of the
Quakers, there'd be a record. If she married a non Quaker she
was castigated before the meeting (MOU is the code....kinda
like the Zen koan MU <grin>). If she was married in the US
records, then of course yo'd want to search Irish records
for the marriage. I wold do this as a last resort and consider
hiring an American who can check in Swarthmore rather than
Dublin. easier. (The MOU-joke was funny after a long day of
searching...but maybe I was just hysterical
after all them hours <grin>)
http://www.swarthmore.edu/library/friends/ . There's
an IMMENSE WALL of cabinets with cards that index the records.
There's an IMMENSE index to this card collection about the
size of one of those unabridged Dictionaries -- 12 inches
or more thick. Then there's the film.
Website says: Its holdings include over 3700 linear feet of original archivesmembership books, minutes, and other original records.
Every time I post on Quakers I get emails warning me about
the various types of Quakers. Yes, know about those. No need
to risk carpal tunnel with emails on basic info on Quakers.
However though I'd done my research before going to Swarthmore
I would probably not have been able to get into kindergarden.
The librarian is breathtaking. THere's a lot more to know about
Quakers. If you go there, use the librarian to save eons of time.
Best of luck!!
Best of luck!
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> Does anyone know whether the Edenderry Meeting either in or new Dublin,
>> Ireland has an online site or has records that can be accessed through
>> online site?
>> Thank you. Still trying to figure out why our Elizabeth Fayle
>> transferred from Edenderry Monthly Meeting to Exeter, PA
>> Monthly meeting in 1753.
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