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From: Montgomery Michael <>
Subject: Re: Scotch-Irish-D Digest V05 #160
Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 09:40:35 -0700 (PDT)
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No, the George Washintgon quote does not work. As
Richard MacMaster, who forwarded the original query to
this list, knows, the Washington quote is not an
authentic one. Having frequently seen it in popular
historians (e.g. the books of Billy Kennedy) a couple
of years ago I tried to track it down by contacting
the editors of the Washington Papers at the University
of Virginia. They could find nothing that resembles
it among the vast assemblage of Washington material.
The quotation seems to go at least as far back as W F
Marshall's _Ulster Sails West_ sixty years ago, but I
have never a citation of its original source. Thus,
it seems to me that the quote is probably partially,
if not wholly, apocryphal.

MacMaster did a piece for the _Family Tree_ newspaper
a year or so ago in which he speculated that he had
found a quotation attributed to Washington that was
the germ of the more familiar one, but that it was
several alterations removed from it.

Or has anyone actually seen a cited original source
for the quote from Washington's one writing?

Is there any good evidence that Washington ever used
the term "Scotch-Irish"?

Michael Montgomery

> From: "Rob Hilliard" <>
> To:
> Subject: RE: [Sc-Ir] Fwd: Striking quotations
> by/about Virginia immigrants
> Does this work?:
> "If all else fails, I will retreat up the valley of
> Virginia, plant my
> flag on the Blue Ridge, rally around the
> Scotch-Irish of that region and
> make my last stand for liberty amongst a people who
> will never submit to
> British tyranny whilst there is a man left to draw a
> trigger." George
> Washington, Valley Forge.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:]
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 10:30 AM
> To:
> Subject: [Sc-Ir] Fwd: Striking quotations by/about
> Virginia immigrants
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Saillant, W. Michigan Univ.
> <>
> To:
> Sent: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 06:25:17 -0400
> Subject: Striking quotations by/about Virginia
> immigrants
> >From "Ayres, Edward S."
> <>
> Sent Tuesday, August 30, 2005 11:08 am To
> Subject Striking quotations by/about Virginia
> immigrants
> The Yorktown Victory Center of the
> Jamestown-Yorktown Foundation is
> planning a new permanent exhibit entitled "A Nation
> of Immigrants" that
> will open in the late Summer of 2006. This exhibit
> will focus on
> immigration to Virginia primarily during the period
> from 1700 to about
> 1860, with a special emphasis on the
> post-Revolutionary and early
> National periods. The exhibit team would like to
> identify four or five
> contemporary, "quotable" statements ca 1700-1830 by
> or about Virginia
> immigrants or groups, their experiences, and what
> drew them to Virginia
> or drove them to leave their homeland. Even
> statements that do not
> specifically refer to Virginia, but would
> nevertheless be valid, could
> be useful. Any examples or suggestions would be
> greatly appreciated.
> Edward Ayres, Historian
> Yorktown Victory Center
> Yorktown, Virginia
> ph (757) 847-3129 fax (757) 887-1306
> email:

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