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From: Alan <>
Subject: Re: [Sc-Ir] Book Review- CARSON: The Man Who Divided Ireland
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:05:34 +0100
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Hugh H. Macartney wrote:

> Having grown up in Ulster and lived in various areas I never heard the
> word, "scundered". The expression is to "take a scunner" at something
> you find loathsome or unpleasant. The same word is used in Scottish
> dialect and is thought to derive from the Middle English word, "scurn"
> meaning shrink or to shrink from.
> Hugh Macartney



Yes the same word. In large parts of Ulster it is scunnered and here in
Tyrone there is a distinct d in the pronunciation giving scundered.
A person can be a scunner or scunder but here it is also used "I am
absolutely sundered".
I have heard it is also used in parts of Canada alongside "reddding out"
or "redding up the place" - cleaning up / tidying up



> Alan wrote:
>
>> May 29, 2005
>>
>> Biography: Carson by Geoffrey Lewis
>> REVIEWED BY RUTH DUDLEY EDWARDS
>>
>> CARSON: The Man Who Divided Ireland
>> by Geoffrey Lewis
>> Hambledon and London £19.99 pp277
>>
>> There is a timelessness about Northern Ireland. The Rev Ian Paisley,
>> who has just succeeded David Trimble as the leading voice of Ulster
>> unionism,
>> epitomises a centuries-old tradition of roaring clergy who repel the
>> British government as much as the southern Irish. A century ago, Arthur
>> Balfour, the great
>> Conservative statesman and Edward Carson's mentor, could no more abide
>> Ulster Protestants than these days can the majority of new Labour.
>> Peter Hain, the new secretary of state for Ulster, already looks like a
>> chap who wishes he
>> had stayed safely in his Tardis instead of straying into what sounds
>> like the 17th century.
>>
>> Yet there have always been outsiders who saw the merits of these flinty,
>> disciplined, straight-talking people, not least those Americans who
>> recognise what they owe to the work ethic and raw courage of
>> innumerable immigrant
>> Presbyterian Ulster-Scots who fought valiantly on the frontiers and in
>> the war of independence. Among those admirers closer to home were two
>> romantics:
>> Rudyard Kipling (who wrote elegiacally at the time of the home-rule
>> controversy of
>> the betrayal of loyal Ulster) and Carson.
>>
>> It is one of the many paradoxes of Carson's life that he was born and
>> brought up in Dublin of Scottish and southern Anglo-Irish stock, made
>> his career in the south and in London, yet became the greatest of all
>> the heroes in the
>> Ulster Protestant pantheon. An Irish patriot, he was passionately
>> devoted to the Union. And although he hated the very idea of partition,
>> he became
>> indeed (as the book's subtitle emphasises) the driving force behind the
>> division of Ireland. He is venerated by bigots such as Paisley, yet
>> there was nothing
>> sectarian about him.
>>
>> Full article at the link below.......
>>
>> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFriendly/0,,2-534-1626735,00.html
>> --
>>
>> Faugh A Ballagh
>>
>> Lámh Dhearg Abú
>>
>> *Tha Hamely Tongue:-*
>> Houl yer whist - keep quiet / don`t butt in
>> Ye hallion - you tearaway
>> Skreigh o day - crack of dawn / day
>> Scundered - fed up
>>
>> <http://68.178.144.142/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=7520&page=1
>> <http://68.178.144.142/cgi-bin/affiliates/clickthru.cgi?id=7520&page=1>>;
>>


--

Faugh A Ballagh

Lámh Dhearg Abú

*Tha Hamely Tongue:-*
Houl yer whist - keep quiet / don`t butt in
Ye hallion - you tearaway
Skreigh o day - crack of dawn / day
Scundered - fed up


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