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Subject: Re: [Scotch-Irish] Surnames- CREELMAN
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:15:33 -0700
Hi David, the name is Scottish. YOu can check it in IGI to see
that, though it is not in Black "Surnames of Scotland". He is the
definitive work. He describes his methodology in his front material.
He basically extracted names from documents. He generally gives the
source (like CROC: Robert Croc, a retainer of Walter the first High
Stewart probalby accompanied him from Shropshire where the name Croc
occurs....witnessed a grant of lands to a church in Paisley...etc).
No CREELMAN suggests the name isn't early but....
In IGI I see it early in the OPRs in 1717 and in Lanark in 1679.
IGI turns up CRILMAN. That, checking MacLysaght, suggests CRIL*.
There is O'Crilly in Tamlacht O'Crilly!
However most likely yours are Scottish. The origin of the
name is a mystery.It is not English, apparently or it would show
up in IGI. The distribution in Scotland, looking at it for
30 seconds, doesn't suggest a single origin. They are all over.
They are not on the Borders, though. They are in Edinburgh and
Ayre. There may be a placename.
Or the name was anglicized. I'd find out what the Gaelic
form of Creel is. Perhaps they adopted Creelman as they moved
down from the Highlands into lowland Scotland.
If this was my problem I'd decide do I want to research my
ancestors or research the surname. Those are TWO different
research projects. They require different methodologies and
different piles of books, possibly in different places.
Then I'd proceed with the genealogical project <grin>. Figuring that
eventually I would hit a 'brick wall' caused by a possibl surname
change, I'd work hard to collect as much 'circumstantial evidence as
possible: first names of all children, religious preferences,
social class, associates. That way when I hit the brick wall, I'd
be able to look around for clues. By that time I would know
the location in Ireland specifically and be able to access local
history regarding the name.
What to search? You need to start with the usual places like FIlby
and do a good, methodical search of YOUR family. Or learn to do
good surname research which is something else. But first you need
to decide which project you are doing and devise strategies,
but you probably already did this and don't need me suggesting it.
Ashmore is an English name (just check IGI to see that). Your
oral history may be the only clue to solving this problem. I don't
know that it is in the Borders -- but in 5 minutes I cannot do
a thorough check.
Best of luck,
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "David Creelman" <>
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 15:45:27 -0400
>This apparently Scottish surname seems to derive from those who made or
>used creels in Scotland. Creels can be used as backpacks, large packs for
>horses, lobster/crab traps, and the more well known fishing creel for caught
>fish. It's also a part in weaving and other cloth making machines, but I
>doubt that as a source of the surname.
>I have two Creelman lines Samuel Creelman, born 1728 in Coleraine, County
>Derry(mine), and a possibly related line, John Creelman, born 1798 in
>Limavady, County Derry. Both these men ended up in Canada and there are many
>descendants in Canada and the U.S.
>The name may originally have been Ashmore, carried up to the Borders in
>olden days. Our branch of the family has a story that an Ashmore
>farmer(presumably in Scotland) had a contract to deliver supplies to a
>prison. They did this with creels on horseback, and the name gradually
>became fixed as they were often seen on the roads with creel-laden horses.
>I think the name change part may be fact, because some Creelmans still name
>boy babies Ashmore for this reason.
>I would appreciate any comments on the derivation, whether from reference
>books and databases, or other Creelman descendants who may have some facts