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From: malinda <>
Subject: Re: [Scotch-Irish] Joseph Duncan
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2002 12:26:53 -0500
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This is fascinating information...thanks for posting it.

Have you run across any REEDs and CARSONs ...probably in
connection with the Stephensons and Ewings ?

My John REED married Margaret CARSON in 1779 in Guilford Co NC.
They migrated to Giles Co TN about 1810. A male Stephnson was enumerated
in the household of their son Rev Carson Pate REED on the 1850 Giles Co TN
Census. Cumberland Presbyterian minister, Rev C.P. REED is my 3rd great
grandfather.

I don't know where John REED was from or who his parents and siblings were.
Same thing with Margaret CARSON...except she had a brother, Wm CARSON
who was surety on her marriage bond.

Does anyone look familiar ?
~malinda



----- Original Message -----
From: "Lee Ramsey" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:17 AM
Subject: [Scotch-Irish] Joseph Duncan


>
> Hi Carol,
>
> Base on the information you provided its difficult to provide a viable
> opinion, so I will start out with some geography first and you can work
your
> way into the genealogy.
>
> Tennessee's statehood was 1796, and by 1830 most
> TN land was attached by about 3/4 of the present day counties, except for
a
> small pocket of Indian lands in the SE corner. So, most of Tennessee was
> well established the time your ggf. was born in 1832 .
> Depending on what migration date you have, his parents could be in TN's
> existing census records of 1830, 1840,1850,1860, etc. If Joseph was a
land
> owner and/or married in 1850 (age 21) he would have been enumerted
> separately, but most likely close by his parents or within the same
county.
> If he was not 21 yet, he should be found with his parents in the 1850
> census.
>
> There are (3) Joseph Duncan's in the TN 1850 census: Madison Co. (West
TN);
> Maury Co. (Middle TN; and Washington Co. (East TN). If you are limited to
> on-line research take advantage of usgenweb to explore the various
counties:
> http://www.usgenweb.org/ and stick to your geography, i.e.when was
> Washington Co. created and from where, etc.? Ancestry.com has much of the
> actural mircofilm census records on line now. That's not a bad
investment -
> sure beats traveling.
>
> Track them in the cesus records first to narrow down the migration dates
and
> locations You have to establish their county of residence to find the
> proper local records - land deeds, tax records, marriage records, wills,
> probate, court minutes, etc.
>
> Lee Ramsey
>
>
>
> > On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 02:11 PM, Lee Ramsey wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Mac,
> > >
> > > You raise a good point. Although there has been some discussion on
the
> > > causal factors of migration and settlement patterns, there is a
> > > tendency to over generalize in terms of ethnic groups and causations
> > > for migrations. So many families had their own circumstances, needs
> > > and abilities. And, of course, good farm land which they could own was
> > > the ultimate goal for most of the early settlers. They had come from
> > > Ireland, where they farmed small plots to sustain their families -
> > > tilling the soil and tending to their cattle was their traditional
life
> > > style going back to Scotland, especially the lowlanders; and, as Linda
> > > pointed out, the
> > > northern Englanders. [ If you came from Ireland or Scotland and you
> > > were not Catholic you could very easily be thrown in with the
> > > "Scotch-Irish" grouping.]
> > >
> > > Migration was seldom accomplished alone, due to the need for families
> > > to support one another, which later on included the growing extended
> > > family. Family members and non-family settlers who worked together
and
> > > worshiped together stuck together - not always at the same time, but
> > > following the same trail. As the early settlers became more
> > > accomplished and successful, they became more independent.
> > >
> > > Many emigrants came knowing their initial destination, but so many
more
> > > came to gain a new life not knowing where their journey would end, and
> > > without the extended family.
> > > Although you had your "adventurers" it was the more
> > > established and more educated settlers who set the early patterns.
> > > They knew how to conduct business and had the necessary contacts. A
> > > case of "what you know ...and who you know."
> > >
> > > A good example of this is Hans Jost Heyd (Jost Hite), an enterprising
> > > German, who was a linenweaver from the Neckar Valley; and, who came to
> > > America in 1710 with only his wife and several small children. Hite
> > > was able to established himself so well in Pennsylvania, he obtain a
> > > large land grant in the Shenandoah Valley, and recruited many
> > > Scotch-Irish settlers, as well as Germans. During that era with the
> > > various waves of Scotch-Irish emigrants, land in PA was becoming very
> > > limited. I am sure the enterprising Hite foresaw this.
> > >
> > > The early "groups" of settlers (1739-40) in that part of the
Shenandoah
> > > Valley which became Augusta County were established well enough to
> > > prove their importation to the Orange County court to qualified for
> > > land grants. Some of those families are identified as: Ledgerwood,
> > > McCadden
> > > McDowell, Carr, Anderson, Breckenridge, Brown, Caldwell, Preston,
> > > Patterson, Scott, Stephenson, Bell, Campbell,
> > > Hayes, Hutcheson, Davison, Blair, Boyd, Carlyle, Johnston, and the
> > > Smith's, who were Anglicans from Ireland - that is a
> > > relatively small sample. And, of course, many of the early families
> > > intermarried, and spread to KY, TN, NC, SC, OH and westward.
> > >
> > > Settlements in the NC Piedmont and Yakin River Valley were being
> > > established as early as 1749 by Germans, Scotch-Irish, and few
Swedish
> > > and English, many of them side-by-side, intermarrying and taking up
the
> > > Presbyterian faith. In NE Mecklenburg Co., NC, which became
> > > Carbarrus in 1798, there was a settlement of German Lutherans and
> > > German Reformed who worshipped together during the early settlement
> > > period, and had English and Scotch-Irish neighbors. And north of them
> > > was an early settlement of Moravians in Rowan Co., NC.
> > >
> > > Among the earliest and most prominent allied families who
> > > intermarried in Mecklenburg Co. NC, were from Cecil Co. and Somerset
> > > Co., MD: the Thompsons, Barry's, Alexanders, Fords, Harrises, Reeses,
> > > Ewings, Polk, Knox, Wilson, Henry, King, Spratts to name a few, and
> > > others from PA within the Alexander family.
> > >
> > > Thomas Polk of Somerset followed Thomas Spratt to (Mecklenburg Co.) NC
> > > and married Suzan Spratt. Thomas Polk's brother, Ezekiel Polk married
> > > Mary Wilson, and this pioneer couple became the grandparents of James
> > > Knox Polk, the 11th president of the U.S.
> > >
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