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From: robert barclay <>
Subject: [Scotch-Irish] HARPER/FISHER
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:26:59 -0400
References: <200205230501.g4N51Lp08465@lists5.rootsweb.com>

Hello Anna and All,
I have a JOHN HARPER m. EDEMONT MCCORMACK had DAUGHTER MARGARET m. ALLAN
FISHER had daughter SARAH , my mother. They are from Antrim and
Cambuslang, Lanarkshire. Any links out there?
regards
Robert Barclay

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>Today's Topics:
> #1 Re: [Scotch-Irish] Pirate Capture ["Marilyn R. Otterson" <rosiedoggie]
> #2 [Scotch-Irish] Origins of Surnames [<>]
> #3 [Scotch-Irish] Re: HARPER, James, []
> #4 Re: [Scotch-Irish] Pirate Capture [NJ Arvay <>]
> #5 RE: [Scotch-Irish] Re: HARPER, Jam [<>]
> #6 [Scotch-Irish] Privaterr vs Pirate [Alexander Craghead <]
> #7 Re: [Scotch-Irish] Re: HARPER, Jam []
> #8 Re:
> [Scotch-Irish] Re: HARPER, Jam []
> #9 Re: [Scotch-Irish] Privaterr vs Pi ["Marilyn R. Otterson" <rosiedoggie]
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> Re: [Scotch-Irish] Pirate Capture of S-I
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> "Marilyn R. Otterson" <>
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> Wed, 22 May 2002 06:28:01 -0400
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>For an interesting and true (as far as anyone knows) tale of Ocean Born Mary
>(Fulton), take a look at this site that tells her story:
>
>http://www.seacoastnh.com/arts/please042101.html
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>Marilyn in NH
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:05 PM
>Subject: [Scotch-Irish] Pirate Capture of S-I
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>>Actually, there is a story long known in the Londonderry, NH Scotch-Irish
>>regarding "Ocean Mary" a daughter of James Wilson who sailed to Boston
>>
>from
>
>>Londonderry in July 1720. Half way across the ocean the ship was met by
>>pirateers who preceded to ransack the ship of all its valuables. In the
>>process, they a baby girl hidden below decks by it's mother. The pirate
>>Captain asked for the child's name, and when told she had not, he promptly
>>told the Mom to name her "Mary". The wise (think Moses) mother quickly
>>complied, and the pirate left the ship to continue it's voyage-still
>>
>holding
>
>>all its baggage which the pirate had ordered his men to leave onboard.
>> Sounds crazy right???- BUT, the pirate gave the mother a gift of silk,
>>
>and
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>>Ocean Mary wore the gift as her wedding dress on the day she married. Her
>>story is mentioned in all the Londonderry, NH history books and two
>>
>authors
>
>>describe the silk. Three generations of daughters wore the silk, and in
>>
>1914
>
>>the author gave a very good description of the item even though "time had
>>faded it's beauty". Town records also mention her name "Ocean Mary", and
>>
>the
>
>>town celebrated their "escape" from the pirates every year on July 28 for
>>many years.
>> So that's "our" story. Anyone else have some more to add??
>>
>>Colin Brooks
>>
>>
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> [Scotch-Irish] Origins of Surnames
> From:
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> Wed, 22 May 2002 06:42:08 -0700
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>Hi folks, for the benefit of those who are too busy putting in the garden to read a book on the topic of surname origins <grin> the BBC has put together a very nice article:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/beyond/factsheets/surnames/surnames_origins.shtml
>
>They left out the jokes in Black "Surnames of Scotland" though. Ah well....
>
>I had not been aware of the impact of the Black Death on surnames.
>
>This is a link to their info on DNA studies:
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/beyond/factsheets/surnames/surnames_home.shtml
>
>Linda Merle
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> [Scotch-Irish] Re: HARPER, James, John, Hugh
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> Date:
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> Wed, 22 May 2002 09:57:43 EDT
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>Can anyone help me to pinpoint these HARPER men, who came to the NE England c
>1850:-
>
>Hugh b.c. 1829, James b.c.1831, and John, b.c.1834. Their father was
>James, and I think their mother may have been Elizabeth, and I suspect they
>came from Down. They were also, I believe members of the Orange Order. I
>would like to be able to trace the family back to their probable Scottish
>roots. Ann Lavery
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> Subject:
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> Re: [Scotch-Irish] Pirate Capture of S-I
> From:
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> NJ Arvay <>
> Date:
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> Wed, 22 May 2002 11:06:27 -0400
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> Lee Ramsey wrote:
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>> There are some early recorded "pirate events." One such story
>> details a pirate named "Teach," who on one occasion stole ships and
>> captured crew members and passengers.
>>
>> Capt. Codd came into Philadelphia from Dublin with 150 passengers,
>> many of them servants, and reported having been taken off the Capes
>> by Teach of "the Private sloop Revenge of 12 guns and 150 men."
>> Teach had captured two snows and emptied their cargo, using one for
>> his earlier captives and the other he turned into a pirate ship.
>>
>> The Capt of the Revenge was Capt. Bennet, who had turn over his
>> command to Teach, as Bennet recovered from wounds from a recent fight
>> with a Spanish Man of War. Bennet was observed daily by his victims
>> taking his walk in his 'morning gown' after breakfast, and devoting
>> himself to his books from his library. (a rogue scholar indeed)
>
>
> Another great story!
>
> "Teach" is a also good example of the fine line between privateering
> and pirating. Most historians believe he started out as a privateer
> during Queen Anne's War, then stuck to his trade after his
> "commission" expired. Others did the same, but gave up the life when
> a general amnesty was offered in 1716. Teach carried on until he met
> his end at the hands of a British Lieutenant named Maynard at Ocracoke
> Island, North Carolina in 1718.
> The story is still very much part of the folklore of the area, or at
> least it was when I visited there as a child in the 1960s. However,
> the local tourist bureau usually refers to "Teach" by his nickname -
> Blackbeard.
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> Subject:
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> RE: [Scotch-Irish] Re: HARPER, James, John, Hugh
> From:
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> <>
> Date:
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> Wed, 22 May 2002 08:16:27 -0700
> To:
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>Hi Ann, North East England is a little far afield to expect
>help from this list. Its focus is Ulster and the diaspora of
>Ulster (ie Ireland), not Scotland. Scottish research is very different
>from Irish, so you can't expect to find on this list many who can
>assist you with Scottish research.
>
>(Folks confused by this need to reread the webpages or the welcome
>message: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~merle which makes the scope
>of the list clear.)
>
>I assume you have checked the Scottish OPRs. If they came from Ulster
>(the only reason I suspect you may think so is the Orangeman connection), then you will have a more difficult time placing them as we
>do not have records like the OPRs -- that cover most of the
>people in IReland -- in the 1830's. However it should be easy
>to check the Tithe Applotment index for pods of Harpers
>. IF
>there are not many, you may be able to research Harpers in
>these locales.
>
>However I would urge you to research in North East England more
>if you have not done so. If you haven't reviewed the parish records (Not
>in indexes, the actual records) then you must do so as they
>may indicate where the family came from, specifically lived,
>and/or occupation. Something useful. Just viewing those
>records will be useful to you -- or so I've found, as I DO
>research in NE England. It is absolutely KEY that you identify
>their profession as that will direct you to more resources,
>suggest where they might have come from, etc etc. It is key that
>you understand the history of the parish -- when did its population
>grow and sink and why and from where did it get its migrants?
>
>If all you are looking for is other people researching Harpers
>in NE England, then you will need to join the appropriate list.
>There are at least three at www.rootsweb.com <http://www.rootsweb.com>; . By all means
>search the archives of all of them for signs of a cousin who
>posted before this.
>
>Best of luck,
>
>Linda Merle
>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>From:
>Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:57:43 EDT
>
>>Can anyone help me to pinpoint these HARPER men, who came to the NE England c
>>1850:-
>>
>>Hugh b.c. 1829, James b.c.1831, and John, b.c.1834. Their father was
>>James, and I think their mother may have been Elizabeth, and I suspect they
>>came from Down. They were also, I believe members of the Orange Order. I
>>would like to be able to trace the family back to their probable Scottish
>>roots. Ann Lavery
>>
>>
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> Subject:
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> [Scotch-Irish] Privaterr vs Pirate
> From:
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> Alexander Craghead <>
> Date:
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> Wed, 22 May 2002 09:49:00 -0700 (PDT)
> To:
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>Okay, altho my post made it to the list apparently my
>meaning didn't so here is a very simple and shor
>clarification.
>
>PIRATE and PRIVATEER are NOT interchangeable terms!
>
>PIRATES had no letters of marque, no legal protection.
>If they caught you, the odds were they would put you
>to sword after taking as much valuables as they could,
>and whatever they could not take, such as a ship that
>moved too slow to take with them, they burned to the
>waterline. Pirates were- forgive me, foir the truth-
>considered the scum of the earth, with no honor.
>
>PRIVATEERS had the same goal to capture shipping.
>HOWEVER, they had to abide by naval customs and a code
>of honor. You could NOT kill your prisoners. You also
>could not rob them- that's right, if you were dripping
>with gold and captured by a privateer, you got to keep
>your baubles. It was only the SHIP's CARGO and the
>SHIP that a privateer got, and
>he always wanted to
>take it back to his home port and claim the prize
>money from it's auction. THeir captains were generally
>men of honor and former naval officers who could be
>relied upon to be decent. Prisoners were often paroled
>or exchanged at nuetral ports.
>
>(Please relize the above refers to the late 18th &
>early 19th centuries.)
>
>If a privateer caught you, you'd be okay. If a pirate
>caught you, you were probably dead.
>
>Argh!
>
>Alexander Craghead
>
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> Re: [Scotch-Irish] Re: HARPER, James, John, Hugh
> From:
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> Date:
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> Wed, 22 May 2002 15:19:50 EDT
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>In a message dated 5/22/2002 10:02:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
><< and I suspect they
> came from Down. . >>
>Dear Ann,
>If any help, Ancestry.com has about 51 Gravestone Inscriptions for HARPER in
>County Down and 17 in County Antrim. In Scotland, Aberdeenshire seems to be
>the most popular place for HARPERs with over 500 Entries.
>Did see a a possible HARPER in County Antrim that may interest you , but none
>immigrated to US. It was a Grave at the Clifton Street Burying Ground in
>Belfast that housed the remains of James Harper, of Belfast, Builder, and his
>wife Elizabeth. Grave also contains remains of James, William, Hugh,,and John
>HARPER and some of their wifes.
>Hope this will narrow down your search.
>Cheers,
>Bob
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> Re: [Scotch-Irish] Re: HARPER, James, John, Hugh
> From:
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> Date:
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> Wed, 22 May 2002 15:39:27 EDT
> To:
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>In a message dated 5/22/2002 10:02:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
><< I suspect they
> came from Down. >>
>Dear Ann,
>Forgot to mention, in the IRISH IMMIGRANTS TO NY, 1746-1851 Data Base,
>approximately 144 HARPERs are listed.
>Cheers,
>Bob
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> Subject:
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> Re: [Scotch-Irish] Privaterr vs Pirate
> From:
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> "Marilyn R. Otterson" <>
> Date:
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> Wed, 22 May 2002 16:21:26 -0400
> To:
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>For an interesting bit of information about the function served by
>privateers in the American Revolution you can check out:
>
>www.allsands.com/privateersameri_wq_gn.htm
>
>Marilyn in NH
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Alexander Craghead" <>
>To: <>
>Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:49 PM
>Subject: [Scotch-Irish] Privaterr vs Pirate
>
>
>>Okay, altho my post made it to the list apparently my
>>meaning didn't so here is a very simple and shor
>>clarification.
>>
>>PIRATE and PRIVATEER are NOT interchangeable terms!
>>
>>PIRATES had no letters of marque, no legal protection.
>>If they caught you, the odds were they would put you
>>to sword after taking as much valuables as they could,
>>and whatever they could not take, such as a ship that
>>moved too slow to take with them, they burned to the
>>waterline. Pirates were- forgive me, foir the truth-
>>considered the scum of the earth, with no honor.
>>
>>PRIVATEERS had the same goal to capture shipping.
>>HOWEVER, they had to abide by naval customs and a code
>>of honor. You could NOT kill your prisoners. You also
>>could not rob them- that's right, if you were dripping
>>with gold and captured by a privateer, you got to keep
>>your baubles. It was only the SHIP's CARGO and the
>>SHIP that a privateer got, an
>>d he always wanted to
>>take it back to his home port and claim the prize
>>money from it's auction. THeir captains were generally
>>men of honor and former naval officers who could be
>>relied upon to be decent. Prisoners were often paroled
>>or exchanged at nuetral ports.
>>
>>(Please relize the above refers to the late 18th &
>>early 19th centuries.)
>>
>>If a privateer caught you, you'd be okay. If a pirate
>>caught you, you were probably dead.
>>
>>Argh!
>>
>>Alexander Craghead
>>
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