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From: "Edward Andrews" <>
Subject: RE: [Scotch-Irish] 1600's, Cromwell in Elliott "The Catholics of Ulster"
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 17:00:17 +0100
> Hi Edward, thanks for widening the view. Catholic or Protestant,
> our views can stand to be widened. I was very interested in how she
> placed a different emphasis on events. (Americans -- there "Catholic
> History" and "Protestant History", seriously <grin>. For a good
> explanation see Henry Glassie "Passing the time in Ballymenone".
The difference in emphasis, and even in fact is absolutely amazing.
> > Out of interest, I wonder if that is the story of the Bloody
> Bridge outside
> >Newcastle. I always had it played to me as having been done by the Roman
> >Catholics, however I have never been able to find it in any
> reputable book.
> Is this what she calls "the most notorious incident", in Portadown
> in Co Armagh? in Nov 1641 a group of prisoners was being moved from
> Loughgall and were drowned in the River Bann under conditions of
> great cruelty, she says? Apparently under the leadership of a
> Toole McCANN, 80 to 100 men, women and children were killed, giving
> rise to visions of ghosts rising from the water calling for vengeance?
> (p 103). If so, she seems to take it as factual, though I am not
> sure about how she feels about the ghosts.
No it is not Portadown, which is well documented as a massacre of
Protestants by Roman Catholics.
Strangely enough the grounds of my office in Portadown in 1971/72 were on
the Banks of the Bann, just above the Bridge where the massacre was supposed
The incident which I was asking about was the one you mention being in
> > You have left out the Montrose rising, and its support by the McDonalds.
> >The idea was that this would cause grief to Argyll - as it did.
> >tour of the Highlands was at attack of Argyll.
> > Montrose was defeated in part because his Gaelic allies
> abandoned him when
> >they could not quite see that he was advancing their cause.
> > One of the few good things which Charles 2 did on restoration
> was to have
> >the Earl of Argyll executed.
> She left it out, not me <grin>. Because it didn't seem to figure in
> her story, I suspect, though the shenanigans of the Irish in Scotland
> are interesting to me. Apparently these are the naked ones whose
> leaders are named on the Internet <grin>. Must have been warmer, back
No, just that they were far tougher than we are