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From: Linda Merle <>
Subject: Re: St. Mary's, Dublin
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 10:08:14 -0700
In-Reply-To: <20000429140125.66050.qmail@hotmail.com>


Hi James,

>One of the families I am searching, Auchinleck, is predominately
>Ulster-Scot, from Fermanagh. However one branch may have settled in
>Dublin. Does anyone in this list know how I can get parish records of St.
>Mary's (or St. Marie's) Church of Ireland 1730-1800. I don't see anything
>at LDS. Jim Auchinleck

Ryan "Irish Records" says the earliest records for St Mary's are births from
1697-1872, marriages from 1697-1880, and deaths from 1700-1858 .

They are held in the Representative Church Library, Braemore Park,
Rathgar, Dublin 14 Ph 353-1-4923979 .

BUT READ ON before you write that letter.

You also sometimes find that the records have been published and are in
LDS by researching the following three sources. I'll past the paragraphs
directly from
the British Isles Family History Society USA's webpage:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa/resire.html#ireland

"Frank Smith's Inventories: This is probably the single most valuable
finding aid to British Isles sources held in the Family History Library
collection. Smith's Inventory of Genealogical Sources was compiled by Frank
Smith and a team of researchers who searched periodicals, books, and
microfilms in the Family History Library Collection and indexed the
individual items found in these materials that often not been separately
listed in the Family History Library Catalog. For example, the Family
History Library Catalog will list the name of a periodical but will not
list the individual articles contained within. Smith's Inventory will
contain names of the articles. Nancy Bier included a description of Smith's
Inventory in the 1996 BIFHS-USA Genealogical Research Seminar Syllabus,
pages 9-14. There are inventories for England, Ireland, Scotland, and
Wales. All serious researchers must use both the FHLC and Frank Smith's
Inventories.
Ireland Fiche #6110527
Richard J. Hayes, Manuscript Sources for the History of Irish Civilisation:
these volumes list the location of Irish Manuscripts. The first 11 volumes
are in LA FHC on films #1,440,939 - #1,440,943. The Index to Persons is
volumes 1-4; Index to Subjects vols. 5-6; Index to Places (by county) vols.
7-8, index to Dates vols. 9-10; and Lists of Manuscripts is volume 11.
There is also a Supplement to Hayes at the National Library of Ireland and
at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. The Supplement is not on
microfilm. See also, Richard J. Hayes, Sources for the History of Irish
Civilisation: Articles in Irish Periodicals, found on films #973,222 to
#973,230. "

BUT FIRST.....
You should first check Grenham's "Tracing Your Irish
Ancestors" to see if he identifies where it might be in another collection
that has been filmed by LDS, both private collections of stuff collected by
genealogists and the heraldic officers as well as copies deposited in another
repository. Here we win out. Grenham says marriages are in PRS, Vol I.
PRS is the Parish Register Society Publication. If LDS has it, it may show
up in Smith's inventories, unless collected after he stopped. Grenham also
says bmd's are all in NA 1A.45-59 . That's a National Archives (of the
Republic) number. You can go back to the LDS catalog, search Ireland/
Archives and see if you can find a calendar of what LDS has filmed from
the Irish National Archives. Falley "Irish and Scotch Irish Ancestral Research"
lists the volumes of the PRS -- they were published in the early 1900's,
so they probably are in Smiths.

I'd also check (probably first since it is easy) the Vital Records Fiche. It
might just identify the film number for you. You get lost in Smith's Inventory
very fast. Ie by page 5 you have found 20 things you want to order TODAY
and the thing you wanted originally is on page 300 <grin>.

You can see why Irish researchers need to learn to dig through a number
of different sources. There is no one definitive source and while you can
get an
amazing number of things through LDS, it takes a fair amount of practice to
find it. It's another whole search on its own. I might add Begley is out of
print and I don't own a copy. He might ID yet another obscure source.

And if you join the Dublin county list you might be able to find someone who
will look them up for you -- at least for a fee. I am curious if the vol's are
in London at the Society of Genealogists. I gotta friend in London who is a
pro. I suspect they are and he could do it. He gets I think 12 pounds sterling
an hour.

I've found it go the other way -- where Ryan knew about another location for
a record that is not in Grenham. I suspect they are in LDS --- somewhere!!
Haunt the Ireland-Archives section for a couple hours.

Can anyone add some places to search that I've not discovered yet?

Linda Merle




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