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From: "Brian McConnell" <>
Subject: Re: Quakers
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 20:18:03 -0300


Quakers from Ireland. Another interesting connection of mine with
Ireland. On my Ma's side we had Umphreys who were apparently Quakers
from Ireland who arrived in New York in the 1670s according to a
cousin in Michigan. Subsequently they became Loyalists when in 1777
Samuel Umphrey entered Canada for refusing to take arms against the
Crown.

Jeesh Linda... That means my Irish were in America before and after
yours. <grin>
Quakers, Ulster-Scots, Orangemen - but all Irish too! :-)

Keep Smilin.

Brian McConnell

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>Hi Carol,
>
>Falley does have a chapter on Quakers in Ireland, as you've noticed.
>
>Bell says Shaw can be found all over Ireland, but is only common in
ULster, esp.
>Antrim and Down. It can be English or Scottish in origin. In
Scotland it is found
>in areas that we know had much emmigration to Ireland:
Kirkcudbrightshire,
>Ayrshire, Renfrewshire, Stirlingshire. There are also Highland
Shaws who may
>have come with the McDonalds. It has been fou nd in Ulster since the
16th
>century but is only common since the plantation. The earlier dudes
are the ones
>who came as mercinaries with the McDonalds. SOme were among the
first
>settlers in the Ards area of Down-- they were brought over by Sir
Hugh Montgomery.
>There is also a castle: Ballygally Castle, near Larne, that was built
by Scottish
>Shaws in 1625. It is now a hotel. He doesn't even mention the
presence of Shaws
>in the Quaker community in Lisburn.
>
>There may be additional information on the Lisburn Quakers in
PRONI -- I'd
>check out what they have, via LDS, until you can get over. And
there may be
>local groups in Lisburn studying these fellas. Quakers would have
been merchants
>or some kind of middle class folk --- so check any records t hat do
survive for the
>period as well as Irish deeds and will indexes.
>
>Maybe you already did this, alas.
>
>Linda Merle
>

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