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From: "Aaron Orr" <>
Subject: Re: Protestants in Northern Ireland Yesterday
Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 21:34:59 -0500


Hi Linda and Bob:

I'd lke to add a "penn'oth" of oopinion on Quinn and O'Queen"...i think
likely same person. Probably the sscribe of the history of the time was
predisposed to recording names as he heard them. I have heard, for example,
oneof my own relatives, now deceased who invariably used the term "seek" for
"sick."

If one examines the early Scots-Irish way of speeking one finds that Quinn
sould easily become "Queen" in some areas.

It is interesting to note that some years later someone (perhaps Samuel
Pepys or Dr. Johnson) created a dictionary of Cockney English in London,
england, in which "mother" becomes "MUVVER" and "father" becomes "FAVVER."

Just a thought,

Aaron R. Orr
-----Original Message-----
From: linda Merle <>
To: <>
Date: November 14, 1998 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: Protestants in Northern Ireland Yesterday

>Hi Bob,
>
> You say:
>>> And the very first Presbyterian
>>> minister at Dunluce in the early 1600's was a native Irishman by the
>>> name of Quinn.>
>>Adair says, [of events in 1646]
>>They were somewhat troubled in settling Mr. James Ker at Ballymoney, and
>>Mr. Jeremiah O'Queen (a native Irishman, bred by Mr. Upton to be a
scholar)
>>at Billy .
>>[A true Narrative of the Rise and Progress of the Presbyterian Church in
>>Ireland, By The Rev. Patrick Adair, Minister of Belfast.]
>
>>Do you know whether Quin and O'Queen are varying names for the same
person?
>
>I suspect so indeed. I am wondering if he is a relative of the
>Bishop John Quin of Limerick, who resigned as an elderly man in 1551
>or so, rather than accept the Reformation. He was succeeded by
>William CASEY. The Quin clan provided heritary obligations to the
>O'Neills as horsemen. A Cenel Eoghain sept like the Gormleys, Hagans, etc.
>Tyrone. Bell says there were three other septs : O'Cuinn from the
personalname
>Conn, in North Antrim, Co Claire, and Longford.
>
>Gee, I'm glad I wasn't 'bred up' to be something. Yikes.
>
>>The other question is, During that period did the Presbyterians take over
>>the C of I buildings in the North of Ireland as they did the C of E in
>>England?
>
>During the Commonwealth? Presbyerians lost the English Civil war to
>the Independents. Hard to imagine...warlike Baptists...
>
>>Billy Parish Church played a big part in my growing up so I am interested
>>in things concerning it, including the question of whether it was, for a
>>time, a Presbyterian place of worship. There are at least three
>>wall-steading remains of previous church buildings in the graveyards
around
>>the present building.
>
>Yes, it was used by Presbyterians till Charlie Clark's ancestor evicted
them.
>Charlie is related to the Vicar, a Stewart?? I have a History of Dunluce
>Presbyterian Church by Julia E Mullin. You can probably get it at
> www.bookshop.co.uk.
>
>Ah! P 11 the Rev O'Quin was born in Templepatrick. Scratch the Bishop--
>probably another Sept. Lemme see,.... after the Reformation the former
>Roman Catholic churches (two in Bushmills) were taken over by the CofI.
>The worship approximated Presbyterian (p 10) due to the overabundance
>of Presbyterians and the lack of CofI folks... As England headed into the
>Civil War, Wentworth instituted the Black Oath, people fled to Scotland,
>which saved them from the Irish Rebellion in 1641. Then the Scottish army
>arived in 1642. During the Commonweath, the authorities allowed the
Presbyterians
>to worship. With the Restoration, the Presbyterians are ejected in 1661
>and only could meet in small groups. They built a church in Bushmills
>on the west side of the Bush where Dunluce now stands. ..P 13.
>
>I posted a short history with all the names in the book to the lsit a
couple
>weeks ago. If you missed it, you can search for it at www.rootsweb.com.
>Or email me..
>
>Lidna merle
>
>

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