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From: Denis Rogers< >
Subject: Re: Claims on Ulster
Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:27:38 -0800


>Please People, I am new to this List. I lived my early life in N. Ireland,
am familiar with it's history and politics. Our interest here is Genealogy.
Linda Merle has a great site, helping people who are interested in
Genealogy. Stick to the Topic. Happy New Year to ALL. Denis.
>
>>Edward:
>>
>>I totally agree with your sentiments. The Northern Province has been a
>>separate people form time immemorial. The Dalriada Kingdom was the one
>>that went almost en masse to Scotland in the misty past and when the
>>Scottish Planters returned they were simply returning to their own land
>>again.
>>
>>The Black Pig's Dyke is the greatest living testimony to the "apartness" of
>>the Ulladh from the most ancient time.
>>
>>Enough! I'll say no more!
>>
>>Aaron
>>----------
>>> From: Edward Andrews <>
>>> To: John Giacoletti <>
>>> Cc: INTERNET:
>>> Subject: Re: Claims on Ulster
>>> Date: January 5, 1998 8:39 PM
>>>
>>> Right Children. I suggest that you cool this or take it off line. In
>>> the past 25 years about 3,000 people have been killed over this
>>>
>>> John Giacoletti wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Irish-Irish Bill wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>>Although you may not realize it, there
>>> > are those of us who are Irish-Irish with a much better claim to both
>>Ulster
>>> > and Ireland than those Scotch-Irish >>>>
>>> >
>>> > 1.) What is the Scotch-Irish claim to Ulster?
>>> About the same as any emigrant population to the land they occupy,
>>> though a respectable case can be made for some at least of the SI
>>> having roots which go back to Ulster in the first place.
>>>
>>> > 2.) What is the Irish claim to Ulster?
>>> It depends who you mean by the Irish? Probably as good a claim as any
>>> people who can trace some of their roots back to before the Emigrants
>>> came, though arguably Ulster was so physically separated from the rest
>>> of Ireland that this argument has little meaning
>>> > 3.) What is the better Irish claim to Ulster? Take your pick according
>>to you particular bias, and what particular story you were brought up with.
>>> > 4.) What is the much better Irish claim to Ulster? The claim for Irish
>>men, Protestant, Dissenter and Catholic to live in peace and harmony.
>>> If you want to fight this one out do so. Don't forget the black
>>> plastic bag to put the remains in.
>>> Perhaps both John Giacoletti and Irish Irish Bill will tell us
>>> precisely how long it is since they actually had anyone directly
>>> related to them living in Ulster or in Ireland.
>>> Edward Andrews
>>> --
>>> Visit our Web site
>>> http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm
>>
>>
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