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From: linda Merle <>
Subject: Re: Meaning of Scotch-Irish (The Pittsburgh fight)
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 1997 09:41:46 -0800
Peace! At least to the ones on our side <grin>. If Bill confines his
definition of "Pittburgh" to the city thereof, -- he may be right
about it "always" being an Irish city. It certainly is now and
it certainly fits the pattern that the Ulster Scots came first and
bought the farm lands. They like farming. The Covenanter population
didn't appear to want to mix "in the city" anyhow -- they wanted to
steer clear of sinful places. Whenever the Irish arrived, they
tended, logic suggests, to be economically disadvantaged due to the
penal laws in Ireland. So they built the canals and railroads,
remaining in the cities and moving onto the next town when work could
not be found where they were. Irish merchants would tend to set up
shop near Irish -- which was the cities.
What kind of research have you done -- other than O'Brien? I've caught
in a number of errors -- but in Ireland. Like he wrote that the
Clintons of Longford were Gaelic Irish -- no....maybe the wives were,
the Clintons of Longford were ex-Earls of Lincolnshire. In England,
and the surname Clinton is tracable to a Norman who came to England.
So Bill -- did you do a lot of research into Early Irish surnames
in the 'Burgh ? I'm now getting curious as to what records are
available for really early Pittsburgh. I've already realized more than
I had thought before (while browsing through a book of PA record
It makes a LOT of sense that the Irish came with the French. I
live in San Juan Capistrano, CA, a small mission town, founded
by the Spanish. Guess who owned all the big ranches around here in
the Spanish days? The O'Neills! There were a few others too.
The Irish roots here go way back. There's an O'Neill museum, but
it has weird hours and I've not gotten there yet. Maybe tomorrow.
It's open on Sunday for 3 hours and not on Saturday. You can see why
it is hard to get to.
So maybe we can move onto the interesting part -- finding out what
the names of the Irish were? I'm interested because of my
KELLY problem -- finding the parents of my great great granddad.
Maybe given the time of the year we should switch to more important
topics -- like is Santa Claus Irish or Scot**-Irish??? JUST JOKING!
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