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From: Michael Cassidy <>
Subject: Re: Distorted history
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 15:14:03 -0400
First. the msg I sent you was private and stated so.
Private msgs are not supposed to be answered on a public list.
You could have ignored themsg; you could have asked for premission to quote
me to the list; but I guess it was easlier to be rude.
I would like an apology.
At 1:07 PM -0500 8/22/97, Angus Robinson wrote:
>Michael - you wrote:
>As for violence, you are living in a country that used violence to obtain
>>from Britain ~~~~~~
>Obviously you have not studied Pre-Revolution Colonial history, either
>that or your
>school system taught you a distorted version of what Britain did here
>PRIOR to our
>War for Independence. Not one but all 13 Colonial states begged the King of
>England to correct or enforce the rights given them by His Majesty. All
>was for him to tell his appointed representatives to adhere to his laws.
>happened was those autocratic self serving men did what they wanted. In the
>process they padded their own pockets. Just for the sake of your education
>include just one of the letters sent to their King, all of which were
>ignored. Read it
>and imagine 12 more almost identical and see for yourself what little they
>If the King had listened the United States might still be a British
>Possession but it
>was not to be.
>Assembly make known the Remonstrance to the King, the
>avoid spectators, and peremptory orders made that Patents should not be
I dont understand your arguement above. Are you saying there was no
Revolutionary War? Or if the King had given us alittle w'd have been happy
and not fought? That may be true but he didnt, and we fought.
>Accusing us of begetting violence sounds good until we remember that
>the largest power in the world. So as far as I am concerned all your
>pontificating is a lot of hypocritial poppycock. Lest you forget, Dispite
>the terrible cost in US lives the United States freed the islands and
>territories they captured in the Second World War. How many did England
>free? As for Viet Nam, it begin innocently enough, people in power were
>being invaded from North Korea and asked the United States to train their
>people so they could defend themselves but the problem got out of hand. As
>a passing comment
>our military did NOT lose that war, the war was lost in the White House
>micromanagement of a war being conducted several thousands away by the
>second hand guessing of >Defence Secretary McNamara and President Johnson.
North Korea didnt invade South Vietnam. I assume you mean troops from North
Vietnam. Actually there were few NV troops in the south when we decided to
prop up the South Vietnam governemnt. The troops were Viet Cong, people
living in the south Vietnam. Who is the "we" that didnt lose the war;
Johnson was President, McNamara was Secretary of Defenese when I was in the
Army they were at the top of my chain of command. The military report to
civilian govenmnet in this country. Also your statement implies that we
could have won; won what and doing what? The govenerment for a substanial
period was the one we put inplace by a coup we help engineer. As for
training the South Veitnamese troops; the Viet Coong with less weapons
didnt seem to have a problem; maybe the problem was we should never have
been there or we were on the wrong side. McNamara has admitted that our
policies in Vietnam were wrong andthat he believed they were wrong at the
time. I find McNamara vile; he let how many Amercian and Vietnamese die
without pretesting a policy he didnt believe in?
I think you should reread my msg, if anything my msg was anti-British.
By the way I served in the US Army (Sp/4, MOS photographer); 1968-1970; I
was drafted out of college. I served, my fathered served in WWII, my
grandfather in WWI; no one in Korea because no one was of the proper age.
So I'll stand my patriotism against anyone's on this list
So you undertand; you do not have permission to quote my private msg to
this list. There are reasons for this which I would discuss priavtely but I
dont which to discuss publically because I feel it would only distracct
from the list.
Cassidy, McAree, Byrnes, Patterson (Pattison), McGee, O'Brien, Rorke
(Rourke), Smith, Egan, Collins