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Subject: Green's of Ulster?
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:04:29 -0400 (EDT)

Does anyone have a Nathaniel Green being born in Ulster about 1750 or
thereabouts? He settled for a while in PA, but I have two different places
of birth for him.

Shelley

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Marathon County, WI
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wimarath/
Lincoln County, WI
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wilincol/

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Researching: GREEN, DODGE,WRIGHT,WOLFF,HAINES,GRANGER
EYSENBACH, TAPPER, FIDLER

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X-Message: #2
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 13:17:39 -0500
From: Angus Robinson <>
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Subject: Civil War - Impact on people
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If this is a moderated group this kind of posting should not be =
allowed. I
been fed up with the ramblings on about the American civil war, which =
has
nothing to do with Scotch-Irish genealogy. That was bad enough. But =
once you start admitting this kind of provocative, one-sided posting =
about the troubles here in Ulster, then I think the group is finished as =
a serious
genealogical list.

Not being Irish born I find it difficult to comprehend why it is so
bad to discuss the Civil War in the United States. If anything ever came
close to destroying the Colonial descendants it was this war. It is too =
bad
that the impact of the Scotch-Irish in the Civil war cannot be discussed
without someone in another country finding fault. It wasn't until the =
end
of WW-2 when the two sections of America finally agreed tobury the so =
called hatchet and get on with the more important task of rebuilding or
re-establising a degree of civility between the two warring factions in
Ireland.
As for the American Civil War, men with long ago roots in Ireland and =
Scotland clashed on the battlefields. I have a degree of symphathy for
both sides, especially when so many innocent civilians are being killed. =
In
the US, warring groups, white, black and brown, are trying to take over =
the lives of everyone within their sphere of influence. This cannot be =
permitted if we are, indeed, civilized human beings. I state this as =
someone who
believes in an almighty. Perhaps the same attitude might be displayed
for a change instead of killing a neighbor who happens to be of another
religion. Take care and Keep Looking UP.
Angus Robinson


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X-Message: #3
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:18:35 -0700
From: linda Merle <>
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Subject: Research Seminar and list purpose
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The British Isles Family History Society is holding their 10th
annual seminar August 21-23 in Los Angeles. Accredited genealogists
from England and Scotland will be speaking.

Topics include:
Background to Nonconformity
Basic English and Welsh research
Lives of our ancestors
The Townland: The basic administrative unit of Ireland
The famine
How to use Ordnance Survey Maps
London Records for tracing Irish ancestors
Records of the Civil War (ENGLISH) and the Commonwealth
Anglican Churches
Catholic Ancestory:The English and 19th Century irish
Scottish Testaments

Note the range in topics: the historical coverage.

This seminar costs $55.00 not including food and lodging.

Folks whose interests at the moment are confined to surname searches
might prefer the internet lists dedicated to nothing but surnames.

Those who prefer non-discursive lists might prefer GENUKI (for research
in the British Isles) or ROOTS-L (more American). One tends to post
short, focused questions and to receive responses via private email
in these lists due to the high volume.

Rootsweb has recognized that some want more diverse information such
as one finds at a seminar. Genealogy is research.
To succeed you must know as much as possible about the history and
culture of your ancestors and yourself. The purpose of lists like
this not primarily to offer yet another venue for you to post your
surnames but for you to learn the culture and history. You will need
a rich background in these topics if you truly intend to move beyond
the rudimentary.

If this isn't your cup of tea -- unsubscribe from this list and start
a list that is more to your taste. For $24 (American) Rootsweb will be
happy to host two lists for you. Hop to http://www.rootsweb.com for more
information.

I have purposefully started this list in the hopes of finding experts
and to foster diverse, detailed, intellectual, humorous discourse
among people from all over the world about Ulster and her people
and her diaspora. As well as the Protestant peoples of the south. It is
inclusive, not exclusive. If the Gaelic Irish hadn't a robust internet
presence of their own already, I'd include them -- but they seem to
be quite in touch with their culture, heritage, and genealogy, so
they don't need me (but I don't exclude them either-- they are welcome
to
particpate -- especially since a lot of us are both).I on the other hand
need as many of you as wish to stay to help me understand my heritage
and to solve the unique problems in my ancestry and genealogy.

So far I've really enjoyed discussions here -- ie it ranges
from the highlands of Scotland to Cork, and it's caused me to think
and laugh a lot. I like that. I like haggis tales -- please don't stop!

If you are offended by a particular topic or post, feel free to complain
to me if you must (). Warning: I may not be sympathetic.
Better yet, start a thread on a topic of your choice. If we seem really
iritating -- unsub and find a place that is more to your taste.

If it gets too serious -- share a joke.
If it gets too silly -- post a serious message.
If it gets too long -- post some surnames.
Too many surnames? post some history or culture.

Linda Merle

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X-Message: #4
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:18:50 -0700
From: linda Merle <>
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Subject: Upping the Ante
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Thanks Brian for the posting regarding the Canadian Ulster Scots
Society.
In an early discussion we had on this list we did determine that not all
the
people called in America "Scotch-Irish" are Ulster Scots. Nor are all
the
Protestants in NI Ulster Scots. Some of my NI ancestors were English
and
Irish.

Americans -- we do have corresponding organizations for those
interested in
non political exploration of our own culture. They are called Orange
Heritage
Societies. Baron Fain ( )can provide you with
additional
information. Perhaps he would repost his original introduction since so
many
are new??

Several of us are starting one in the LA area -- if you are interested,
contact
us ( or Donald Hugh <> ).

I feel as if Brian has upped the ante there with his genealogy project.

Anyone like to start collecting Ulster Scots/Scotch-Irish genealogy to
map our
immigration?

Other projects I've fantasized about:

Building a family tree of all the descendents of the Siege of Derry
participants.

Does anyone know where the participants are documented, by the way? I
must have had
ancestors there -- had ancestors living in Antrim and (London)derry at
the time.

Building a family tree of the descendents of Williamite soldiers.

Anyone else interested in these projects?

Linda Merle

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X-Message: #5
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 14:52:37 -0700
From: (JACK GLASGOW)
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Subject: Immigration During War
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Can anyone tell me if people were immi-
grating from Ireland or British Isles to North America during the period
ca 1778-
1783? I had understood many American
ports were blockaded. One of my family stories is that my John &
Margaret Glas-
gow came from either Ireland or Scotland
sometime in that period. Can anyone enlighten me??
Thank yoy
Jack

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X-Message: #6
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 19:38:55 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: Re: Civil War - Impact on people

Hi,

I agree with you completely. There is too much bigotry in this world. It
doesn't really matter what color you are or what religion you practice. Why
is it so important to people to try and make each and every other person they
see just like they themselves are? Whatever happened to individuality? That
is primarily what the US was based on.

Keep up the good work and lets get back to genealogy. I dropped off two lists
because all the people did was flame each other day in and day out. I would
get hundreds of messages each day and most of them were about some silly damn
thing that matter a bit.



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X-Message: #7
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:12:24 -0400 (EDT)
From:
To:
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Subject: Take me off the list! Unsubscribe!

This is a waste of my time. I am frustrated with the lack of genealogy info
that goes on here and my mailbox is overflowing with this drivel. Who's in
charge? The historians should find another forum!!!

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X-Message: #8
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 18:48:41 -0700
From: Eileen <>
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Subject: EMMET, THOMAS ADDIS
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Is there anyone on the list that may have the parents of THOMAS ADDIS
EMMET.

Thomas was b. 1877-1897 Unknown; m. Eunie Kee b. 1894 Unknown

Any information would be appreciated. Please reply to:

Eileen


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X-Message: #9
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 21:57:12 -0700
From: linda Merle <>
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Subject: Some Maiser Lists
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Hi, the following was posted to ROOTS-L regarding Maiser lists
which are back on line. It appears that mostly surname lists are
moving to Rootsweb. For a list of surname lists on Rootsweb see
http://www.rootsweb.com and go to mailing lists.

Linda Merle

From: "George Waller" <>
Subject: Some genealogical lists

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George

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X-Message: #10
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 22:02:12 -0700
From: linda Merle <>
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Subject: Massy on early Irish Immigrants in Western PA
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Hi, several people asked me to post this.

Massy Harbison was an early Western Pennsylvanian settler who wrote a
book: Flood Tides Along the Allegheny, of her experiences and of the
settlement of this area. It is one of the few contemporary accounts we
have of the life of early Scots-Irish and Irish settlers. This book has
been re-printed by the Massy Harbison Chapter of the DAR (Daughters of
the American Revolution), New Kensingon, PA.

She married John Harbison from County Monaghan. He was descended from a
Scotsman of Selkirkshire who married a Carson of Shanroe, Ireland, whose
son inherited the Carson lands in Monaghan. They held this land
in Ireland through the fifteen century.=20

The Coming of the Irish
"Another ingredient that entered into the melting pot of people, in the
Buffalo county came from Ireland outside of Ulster. They were the
descendents of the Irish Catholics who warred upon the Ulsterman for
nearly two hundred years. The sons and daughters of the Ulstermen in
Pennsylvania were now generations removed from the old feud, and, while
the immigrants carried fresh from their old soil the animosity of a
score of generations, they found it dulled in these who now knew
themselves only as Americans.

"A few of the Irish had emigrated to America at the opening of the
century, and some had settled near the headwaters of the Big Buffalo.
They named their district for their native Donegal. They were devout
Catholics and had come from direst poverty and took up life in the
wilderness on a plane but little above that they had endured at home.
They did not mingle with the Germans. These Donegal Irish endured all
the hardships of the first pioneers. They were of a better class than
those who came in the 30=92s, having been mostly small farmers in old
Erin, but the religious scruples of the pioneers, both Protestants and
Catholics, kept them apart and they developed a separate social and
communial life. Others came to join them and their families increased
surprisingly, so that by 1830 they formed a substantial part of the
population."

Building of the Canals and the "New Irish"
"About the end of the first quarter of the century, there arose a crying
need for labor to build the state canals, and Ireland, in turmoil and
poverty-stricken, poured forth a fresh horde of her sons to fill this
need. They came as laborers, solicited by contractors who often paid
their transportation. They .. were brought without their families and
the restraining influence of their women. Some one, some day, may write
a fitting appraisal of the Irish woman.... When they came into this
land, unrestrained by her influences, they brought the Irish
temperament, which led them into violence, indulgences, and excesses,
and aroused intense antagonism among the now sedate citizens. They built
the canals and in later years, replaced them with the railroads. They
came to the Allegheny valley for the building of the canal, and on St.
Patrick=92s Day in 1829 two large camps were situated at Freeport, the
Garry Owens and the Mulligans. They staged a great celebration
unpleasant to the natives and paraded through the town bedecked with
pine and laurel boughs, as substitutes for green shamrock and then wound
up the day at Neil Gillespie=92s tavern in real Irish fashion. They
brought in the Irish names found in every community and, while the great
majority drifted to the centers of population, some few remained to
settle in the valley and dilute its somber tones of life with the
sparkle of Irish wit and their lighter moods and ways of living."

Linda Merle

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X-Message: #11
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 01:23:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gareth G Davis <>
To: Eileen <>
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Subject: Re: EMMET, THOMAS ADDIS
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On Sat, 31 May 1997, Eileen wrote:

> Is there anyone on the list that may have the parents of THOMAS ADDIS
> EMMET.
>
> Thomas was b. 1877-1897 Unknown; m. Eunie Kee b. 1894 Unknown
>
> Any information would be appreciated. Please reply to:
>
> Eileen
>
>

Hi,

I don't know if you have the right person but this is the name of a
one of the most famous patriots in Irish History.

This Thomas Addis Emmet was born in Cork in 1764 (an Anglican), was
secretary of the United Irishmen. He was exiled in 1798 and emigrated
to the US in 1804 (NY) where he was a famous abolitionist. he died
in 1827 in the US. Is he another descendent or perhaps your ancestor
was named after him (although this would be unusual given that he
has the same surname as the original Thomas Emmet)>

Gareth

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X-Message: #12
Date: Sat, 31 May 1997 20:41:03 -0700
From: Frank McNamara <>
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Seeking info ancestors/descendants of James LEACH b 3 Jun 1796 near
Loughfoil. He was in Ontario, Canada by December 1835 when he married
Elizabeth Jemima NUGENT in Hope Township. They had 8 sons & 1 daughter.
Jean McNamara

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X-Message: #13
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 1997 02:41:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gareth G Davis <>
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Subject: Re: LEACH b near Loughfoil
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On Sat, 31 May 1997, Frank McNamara wrote:

> Seeking info ancestors/descendants of James LEACH b 3 Jun 1796 near
> Loughfoil. He was in Ontario, Canada by December 1835 when he married
> Elizabeth Jemima NUGENT in Hope Township. They had 8 sons & 1 daughter.
> Jean McNamara

This may offend some of our readers as being "off- the- topic- of-
ancestor- search- "drivel", but my guess is that Loughfoil is in fact
Lough Foyle (pronounced that way), a major inlet in the North of Ireland,
which seperates Co. Donegal and (London)derry.

Sorry again for wandering too much into socio-histico-geography.

Gareth

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X-Message: #14
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 97 16:48:37 UT
From: "Earl Fain IV" <>
To: "Frank McNamara" <>,
"Gareth G Davis"
<>
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Subject: RE: LEACH b near Loughfoil

Thank you Gareth.

I assure you a number of us value all the useful socio-historical information
that you can offer. I hope the rest of the group will come to understand the
distinction between such helpful material in understanding the context of
genealogy and some of the distracting arguments that seem too far outside our
intended subject matter.

(My $.02 worth...)

Best regards,

Baron Fain

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From: Gareth G Davis
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 1997 2:41 AM
To: Frank McNamara
Cc:
Subject: Re: LEACH b near Loughfoil

On Sat, 31 May 1997, Frank McNamara wrote:

> Seeking info ancestors/descendants of James LEACH b 3 Jun 1796 near
> Loughfoil. He was in Ontario, Canada by December 1835 when he married
> Elizabeth Jemima NUGENT in Hope Township. They had 8 sons & 1 daughter.
> Jean McNamara

This may offend some of our readers as being "off- the- topic- of-
ancestor- search- "drivel", but my guess is that Loughfoil is in fact
Lough Foyle (pronounced that way), a major inlet in the North of Ireland,
which seperates Co. Donegal and (London)derry.

Sorry again for wandering too much into socio-histico-geography.

Garet

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