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From: "Betty & Del Meischen" <>
Subject: Re: Smith and Stephenson Families
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 11:27:38 -0500
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So glad to hear from you so quickly! I have not read your books yet and do plan to purchase them. Funny, in researching my husband's lines (Keys) in Bell Co. and the Belton area I came in contact with a writer doing a book on his great aunt (Tennessee Keys Embree 1841-1919) who had married the local doctor and had kept a diary from a young age until she died.
BJM-One of the lines I am tracing keeps coming up with a Key connection. Interesting.
SM--Henry Keys came to Texas about 1848 and did live in Fayette Co. for about two years before moving on to the Belton area. Founded a town called Keys Valley outside Belton that was eventually covered by the reservoir built there. Part of this line has ties to George Washington.
BJM-- SO MANY OF MY LINES GO BACK TO GEORGE WASHINGTON!
SM--Back to the Smiths and Stephensons........yes, I have found census records that indicated to me that one of William H. sisters had married (possibly a cousin) another James Stephenson and Elizabeth was living with them in 1900. In fact I think this may be the uncle Jim Stephenson that my grandfather had spoke of living with after his father John William remarried. I know of at least 3 marriages for John William and possibly there was a fourth but I still have not found any marriage records for any of these, nor for William and Elizabeth. Do you know when William died or where he is buried? It appears he died bet. 1870 & 1880.
BJM-- I have another relative, Ed Smith, who is researching the Smiths--Solomon. I believe that he has found this grave. I will send you his email address if I still have it. He has visited me here at my home. Ironically, he is tied to me by my Austin-Dowling line.
J. Ed Smith
SM--Really all I have been able to up with so far have been census documents, so your info has been invaluable to me. I hope to find land documents that can give me a better picture of exactly where they lived. It is confusing due to new county formations and line changes. I saw a post on Waller Co. queries about Sam Houston & his army coming up the road on the Smith place and they were wanting a Hist. marker. I was wondering if this was my Smith's. The post was from 2002 and although I sent an e-mail I have received no answer from this person.
BJM--Yep. I believe that they went through the Solomon Smith near Rock Island. Jared Groce had another place near Courtney ajoining my ggggrandfather's place James Bell and very near James Bell Stephenson's place. The army went through there. It is my supposition that the troops trained for the 2 week period before SJ WEST of the Brazos on the property of James & Thomas Bell who sold it to Cochran in 1837. Groce's plantation was directly across the Brazos (East) but from what I was told they were going to go there but some of Houston's men got too friendly with Groce's slave girls and he sent them back across the river. The ship Yellowstone transported them up the river to the Independence area. James Bell, Solomon Smith, Donoho, Stephenson and Groce had plantations on the East side of the river right there where they could supply Houston with provisions to the army as they made their way to SJ. I have found mention that they camped at Donoho's and that Housto!
n stayed with Groce after they were transported the 18 miles UP river on the Yellowstone. James Bell Later bought the Donoho land and wound up with 7777 acres of land from the Brazos river to Courtney (near Navasota in Grimes County) Part was in Waller County on both sides of present day Hwy 6.
I have a lot of info on land and know where they lived.
SM-- Could you give me an idea of where it was until I can get over there?
BJM-- In the book it also talks about Solomon Smith as being the neighbor of my James Bell near Rock Island. I have so much info I do not know where to start. Much is in my book From Jamestown to Texas. I have copies which I will sign and mail to you if you like. It will answer many questions and probably bring up more. I have two huge folders on the Stephensons of Austin/Waller/Grimes and Washington Counties.
SM-- Should I go to your web site to order these books?
BJM--I have copies: Betty Meischen 1430 Schumann Rd, Bellville Texas 77418 $34 includes shipping
SM--Census show them in Austin, Grimes & Waller Co...... Time constraints have kept me from doing courthouse research on this line so far.
BJM-- I spent many years, hundreds of hours in these courthouses and probably have everything you can find on the Stephensons. I am a Smith but it is English, however, my dad was quite aware of his Smith cousins in Waller county of the other variety.
SM-- I also have another Smith line on my mother's side.I was very excited to hear you have a picture of William H. I have no pictures of the Smith family earlier than my grandfather. How did you come to have this picture?
BJM-- My grandmother had a box of old tin types given to her by her mother, Emma Stephenson Hoffman. Emma was the daughter of James Bell Stephenson, niece of Elizabeth.
All the Smith men of my era are very big men, my grandfather was very imposing physically, I would be most delighted to be able to have a copy of that picture or any others that you have. When you noted in some of your papers that William was a doctor I really questioned that ......... as on census records it is common to put the letters "do" in the occupation column as a sort of "ditto" if the occupation was the same as the person above. If you have a picture of him with a doctor bag through.........well The picture was not identified but I remember my grandmother referring to him as a great uncle. As far as I know, none of the Stephenson men were doctors so I have "assumed" that the picture was William H. Smith. Would love to see if there is any possible family resemblance.
I guess that would answer that question. I also noticed on the 1870 Grimes census that Jacob Maxwell was living with William & Elizabeth. I knew that Civility had married a Maxwell but wondered why he might be living in William's household.
BJM--Civility, James Bell Stephenson married William Maxwell and her brother James S. married Melissa Maxwell, sister of William. Not sure why Jacob was living with them but he might have been living on their place as a farm worker.
SM-- I am trying to run down a link in NC on brothers Samuel, Solomon and John, sons of Daniel Smith, wondering if there is a connection...Samuel & Solomon apparently married Maxwell sisters,
BJM-- (Wow--wasn't aware of that one since I had not researched the Smith line extensively--very interesting!) I will let you know if I find anything on this. but I haven't gotten very far on it yet. I also found that one of William H. sisters, Sarah married a James Patterson or Pattison and that Emily w/o Solomon Smith along with Louis and youngest dau. Emily was living with them in 1850 after Solomon's death. Is Pattison, TX named after this family? (BJM--this really ties these original families together even more) I thought I saw somewhere that some of the Pattison family still lives on the original land....they seem to have become quite wealthy before the civil war, his land and personal value having jumped from abt. 1,300 in 1850 to 120,000 land, 52,000 personal by 1860 having quite a large plantation and large no. of slaves. He also was from SC. I have no records as to the other siblings of William H. As you can plainly see, so far all I have are census reco!
rds and what I have been able to deduce from them, along with some of the info you have online. I have found nothing for Solomon other than he is on the original land owners list for Waller Co.. It also appears to me that these families (Smith, Stephenson, Bell, Maxwell) probably knew each other and migrated at the same time from GA<FL& Carolinas. (BJM--This has become my strongest conclusion also and that is why my next book deals with tracing these original landowners back to Virginia) I would be grateful if you would be willing to share your linages and info on my William. Anything I find I would be delighted to share with you. Which brings to mind the Internet site for the Herzstein Library at the San Jacinto Monument. In the biographies it has Thomas H. and James M. Bell listed and seems to be intermingled with our Thomas & James as they state the wives of these men as being the Grimes sisters. I know you have said these are not the same men. (BJM--My book tries to!
help unwind some of these original Bells and explains their roots a l
ittle--earlier researchers assumed some erroroneous things--combing them as one person. I have sorted them out and this is explained somewhat in the book. After 5 more years of research, I have found many things more to add to the mix!)
It also list a John Stephenson from Jefferson Co. stating that in 1838 he had brothers in Jefferson Co. ......William, Gilbert, and James Stephenson. Could this be our James?
Hope you can make sense of this ............I look forward to hearing form you again.
BJM--I strongly suggest that you get my 1st book and read it. It will give you many facts and also bring up many questions. When people buy my books, I am willing to share with them my whole file cabinet and try to supply answers to the myriad of questions that arise. Where did you say you live, Suzanne? I have so much info that it would take hundreds of pages to copy but I often sit down with people and let them go through my files and give them pertinent copies that they need.
SM-- I live on Galveston Bay close to Kemah. Let me get your books and read them first and then we'll try to set a date that I might visit you and maybe do some courthouse research on the Smiths.
BJM--I am currently trying to establish our James Stephenson to one of the Rev. War patriots but so far I have been having a hard time with this documentation. There are multiple James Stephensons (Stevensons) who fought.
SM--I have noticed a lot of Stevensons living close to our Stephensons and wondering if there is a connection.
BJM--He could have been from PA, VA, NC or SC. I have many links to the battle of King's Mountain from many other of my lineages and this is of great interest to me as explained in the book in a story that I feel is very pertinent to this family and how it fled Scotland, then Ireland.
SM--Nearly all my direct lines on both sides as well as my husband's go back to pre-Revolutionary Virgina (many having fought in Rev), Jamestown and Henrico, nearly all Scots(McPherson, Campbell, Stuart with a few English thrown in to William the Conqueror. The Keys have a connection to George Eskridge who raised Mary Ball, George Washington's mother. George W. was named after George Eskridge.
Any pertinent info on Solomon Smith would be most helpful to me.....
Oh yes,..................how do you find time for all this??????????
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