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From: "Tom McQuarrie" <>
Subject: Re: [Mull] Re: School Records in Tobermory - 1888 copyright Issue
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 07:44:13 -0400
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To all,
I visited the Mull Museum in July of 2005. In an effort to balance opinion I
would like to add the following.
I found the staff to be extremely helpful !!! When I made my inquiry the
individual on duty actually called another volunteer at home to assist in my
research. The second volunteer invited the four of us to their home and
spent about two hours with us researching my family. In the end was able to
break down a brick wall providing family names / MBD info for two
generations further back in time. I had worked on that for 25 years without
success. Besides that has participated in e mails since my trip to further
clarify various questions I have had as I digested my families history. The
information I gained that day was substantiated by one professional
genealogist and two amateurs . Obviously I am quite happy with the results
of my visit.
Yet I am very disappointed in the recent assertion of copyright laws as it
applies to our efforts to share information about family history. I too have
shared information I have with the Mull Museum, including descriptive
letters written by family members from the 1840's and actual copies of
documents authenticating details of my family. Information the Mull Museum
would not have if it was not passed down to me by family members. Now they
can copyright that ? How would we put the puzzle together if we can not
share the various pieces.
Tom McQuarrie Pennsylvania , USA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frances Caple" <>
To: <>
Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2006 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Mull] Re: School Records in Tobermory - 1888 copyright Issue

> Dear Ida, Denise and All Listers,
> Denise please do not leave this list, I have heard many wonderful reports
> about the Mull Museum and was very much looking forward to visiting it
> when
> I was on Mull 2 years ago, I was very disappointed as I found the person
> on
> duty when I was there cold and dismissive and not at all helpful, there
> was
> a Canadian family there that day and she was falling over herself being
> helpful to them, making many predigest remarks about "the English" I was
> born in south east england so have a strong english accent, However this
> lady is the only person I have encountered on Mull with this attitude,
> everyone else I have met has been wonderfully friendly and helpful,
> likewise
> with this list, in every barrel of apples you get the odd sour ones, don't
> let them get at you,
> now copyright, please understand that what I have written here is not as a
> criticism of anyone but merely as an explanation of a few of the rules
> pertaining to copyright, for a more detailed explanation each person would
> need to find out copyright laws on family history documents in their
> country
> and any country they are obtaining documents from and the copyright laws
> between countries, oh and the added information about copyright on the
> web!
> my area of most copyright knowledge is Artistic copyright, but what
> pertains
> though all copyright is that the holder of the copyright is the
> 'originator'
> of the document or property, museums do not hold copyright of their
> material
> unless they created the material, museums are merely holder of the
> documents
> and so caretakers of the copyright for the copyright holder, for example,
> many of us on this list during MUGG week gave a copy of our Mull family
> history to the Mull museum, the museum does not have the copyright for our
> documents we do, if the Mull museum wants to photocopy any of the family
> histories that were donated they need written permission from the writer
> and
> if they take a photocopy without that written permission then they are
> breaking copyright law, copyright stays with the 'originator' and heirs,
> it
> does not transfer with the document and/or property, for example I have
> sold
> some of my artwork but
> I always hold the copyright, the purchaser only owns 'that' piece of Art,
> now with Artistic work there is an expiry date a long time after the death
> of the Artist but with documents owned by 'bodies' of people the copyright
> last as long as the 'body' of people exist, so for instance the 1841
> census
> of Scotland was taken over 160 years ago but the registrar for Scotland
> still holds the copyright, those who use the LDS website may have noticed
> that the 1881 census for England and Wales is on the website because the
> registrar of England and Wales gave permission but the 1881 census of
> Scotland is not on the website because the registrar for Scotland refused
> permission, they hold the copyright and yes Ida anyone displaying the
> census
> records should have the permission of the relevant country, copyright is
> broken millions of times a day by millions of people, the friend that
> photocopies a knitting pattern from a magazine for a friend is breaking
> the
> law but most people turn a 'blind eye' to these small issues it is the big
> ones that hit the courts,
> going back to the school records it is more likely that the Mull Museum
> broke copyright law when it photocopies the record which as a school
> record
> the copyright will be held by the school authority, which could be the
> local
> government, church or independent private,
> sorry this is so long but copyright is complicated, many people assume
> that
> if they own something they own the copyright, they don't, the 'originator
> and heirs' do, 2 ladies at the MUGG gathering found a letter in the mull
> museum from an ancestor of theirs, now the museum may own the letter but
> they do not own the copyright, the copyright is owned by the heirs to the
> writer of the letters estate, which could be one of the two ladies, as the
> writer is deceased then it would need to be known how long the copyright
> lasts after death for letters in the relevant countries, when that time
> expires there is NO copyright, so the letter becomes public property,
> anyone
> can copy it,
> best thoughts
> FrancES
> Frances Caple
> Isle of Lewis
> Scotland
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