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Subject: Re: [QUEBEC] [Q-R] BOYER / MAHEUR of QP and Clinton County, NY
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 23:51:45 +0000 (UTC)
I tried to check the archives and didn't think I saw the following if someone posted I'm sorry.
I went to BMS2000.org and found a Marie (actually 2) that were baptized at St. Joseph de Soulanges at Les Cedres. Then I went to family search and one is very close to the date of your Mary Boyer.
Today the 25th of March 1825, by our priest below signed did baptize Marie Rose born this day of the legitimate marriage of Charles Boyer day workder and Marie Smith. The godfather and godmother Noel Livac and Monique Seguin.
Also found the following:
Today the 10th of May 1825, by our priest below signed did baptize Marie born this day of the legitimate marriage of Casmier Boyer day workder and Sophie Legault . The godfather and godmother Antoine Chev rier and Catherine Braban?.
I did not find a buriel for either of them.
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From: "Jerrold Brosious" <>
Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:38:35 AM
Subject: [Q-R] BOYER / MAHEUR of QP and Clinton County, NY
Haste indeed often does make waste. I was so determined to get this query
posted earlier today and missed the fact that somehow paragraphs and other
pieces of information were out of order and parts even missing. PLEASE consider
this as superceding the earlier one....Ignore that and use this one.
I have just one great-great-grandparent who is French-Canadian and have been
trying to break down my Boyer brick wall for 47 years, starting when I was a
young boy of around ten.
MARY BOYER was born c. 1825; a bible entry states that she died 3 March 1875
"on her 50th birthday", placing her birth at 3 March 1825. This assertion
may well be inaccurate not only as to year of birth but possibly also as to the
month. A birth year of 1825 should be taken as approximate and years between
about 1820-1830 should be considered. Her birthplace from U.S. censuses
(1850, 1860, 1870) is given as just Canada. As she lived most of her married
life in Mooers Forks, Clinton County, NY a birthplace in Quebec Province seems
almost certain; Ontario possible but unlikely. One descendant thought she was
from Montreal or vicinity; another mentioned there were many Boyers in QP
bordering Clinton and Franklin counties, NY. Basically the Montreal region and
all the way down to the NY border seems possible for her birthplace. Also, she
was said to have had some Scots ancestry, and not all French.
Mary Boyer married Andrew Lambert who was born in Edinburgh, Scotland in 1807
and so far no marriage record has been found for them. (The only variation on
his name is Andrew Paul Lambert found in one record, son John's baptism.)
Presumably they were married some time before the baptism of their first child,
7 July 1846. Their children surnamed LAMBERT were:
1. Margaret, baptized 7 July 1846 at St. Joseph Corbeau, Coopersville, Clinton
County, NY; I do not know what was reported for mother's name on this
record. Sponsors: Adolphe Morin and Marie Trembly.
2. John McKenzie (or McKinsey, etc.) bp. 12 March 1848, same as at above.
Sp: Pierre Roberge and Marie Trembly. Mother's name: Marie MAHEUR or Maher or
Maheux, from various transcriptions.
3. Lucinda, at St-Romain, Hemmingford, Huntingdon County, QP, 15 October
1850. Mother: Mary Bayl___, maybe Baylon? Sp: Daniel Gettins and Catherine
4. Catherine (but this is the daughter who lived to be 92 and was "Caroline"),
bp. 19 June 1852, at same as above. Mother's name
Mary BOYER. Sp: Thomas Ryan and Mary Lambert.
5. Catherine, bp. 20 Sept. 1854, same as at above. Mother: Mary BOIRE. Sp:
John Lamber and Mary Lambert.
----The baptims of the next four children all at Ste-Anne de Centreville,
Mooers Forks, Clinton County, NY all on 31 Aug. 1863 when the four were between
5 years and 7 weeks. Any significance to this? Older ones first bp. in a
Protesant church? There was no shortage of Catholic churches in their
6. Charles Edward, born 21 Sept. 1856
7. Florence B., born 13 July 1858. A descendant said her middle name sounded
like "Belsnoro"...see my posting from 21 May 2012 that may clear up this item.
Or could it be a surname.
8. Harriet Arvaline(?) (she used Evaline), born 10 May 1861.
9. Edmund , born 12 July 1863. Sponsors for all four were P.J. Crevier and
Mary Lambert. I have not seen images for these four records and don't know how
mother's name shows.
Baptisms have not been found for the last two children:
10. Julius Edgar, born 7 Dec. 1865
11. Frederick Wilks, born 20 Oct. 1869
The 1850 and 1852 baptismal records state that Mary and Andrew Lambert were
residents of Hemmingford, but the 1850 thru 1870 censuses shows them in Mooers
Forks, where Andrew settled in 1832. In 1872 Mary and Andrew moved to Glencoe,
McLeod County, Minnesota where she died 3 March 1875. The monument in Mt.
Auburn cemetery gives her name as "Mary Boyer, wife of Andrew Lambert". (This
may be on internet at findagrave.) Her funeral was conducted from the Methodist
church, showing that there was a departure from Catholicism.
A grandson of Mary Boyer Lambert thought that her husband Andrew Lambert
may have had a first wife by the name of "Mary Moore". Though that may be
correct there is nothing so far to show a prior marriage. But let us return to
the baptism of son John (no. 2 above) in which the mother's name has been
deciphered as Maheur, or Maher or Maheux. I wonder if that surname pronounced
might have sounded something like "Moore". John's 1911 Denver death
cert. gives mother as "Mary Boyer" !
QUESTION: Was Maheur/Maheux/Maher and the endless spellings of that surname,
possibly a "dit name" for Boyer, or vise versa? If so we might be on to
something. Dr. Virginia DeMarce, former NGS president wrote that the Maheur
family of northern Clinton County, NY were found prior to that place, in the
records of St. Edouard de Napierville, QP. If it can be established that
the above Marie Maheur (etc.) was a first wife of Andrew Lambert, and not one
and the same as Mary Boyer, then a marriage for Mary Boyer and Andrew Lambert
would have occurred c. 1849-1850 and not c. 1845-46 as suggested earlier.
A few concluding thoughts. Having only the given name "Mary" for Mary Boyer is
a real handicap, as almost certainly she would have been baptized.
"Marie-Something". Boyer is such a common name that all variant spellings
should be considered, not to mention "dit" names, of which I am not versed. The
appearance of the name Maheur/Maher, etc. rather than Boyer must be taken note
of and could prove to be a critical clue. Also important so that no one goes
down the wrong path taking the surname Lambert as a French Canadian clue or
hook, Andrew Lambert was from Edinburgh, Scotland and not Fr.-Can. !
Also important is to emphasize that Mary Boyer is said to have been part Scots;
we think mostly French, but part Scots. As her first son's middle name was
McKinsey (or McKenzie, etc.) this may be a clue as to Mary's Scots origins....or
was it from Andrew Lambert, who was from Scotland? Also, given names of
Mary's children may serve as clues to Mary's parents and siblings' names.
I know that this is extraordinarily long, but want to present all the pertinent
potentially helpful information for solving the mystery of Mary's origins. I
am very excited at the prospect of getting responses that give not only
concrete information, but also any suggestions or even hunches. Anyone who
can crack this Boyer case will be a Genealogy God in my eyes!
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