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Subject: Re: [Q-R] Francoise illegitime and Vennance Latour dit Forget m 1838
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 14:21:07 -0500 (EST)


Thank you, everyone. Of course no one ever said it was going to be easy. I was looking at Pierre's baptism again and can't help wonder if there is any relation between "Francoise Cyrar" and the Solomon Syrar at the 1838 wedding.




https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11113-19308-31?cc=1321742&wc=6437632

Hopefully the embedded pictures show up. I screen captured the record for the 1818 Francoise. It looks like Joseph Picard and godmother Marthe.

I guess another important question is what everyone else got from the marriage record. I'm sure they mean Francoise was the illegitimate part and she was a resident of that parish.

>From the 1838 marriage record from Family Search: Salomon Syrar




If the pictures work right, we can debate what letters we read.

>From Pierre Latour's Baptism we have: Francoise Cyrar?



I could visualize some sort of scene. When they were married it seems natural someone would represent the groom and we have his father and brother. So... someone might be representing the bride but there is no way to really know their relationship. We have Syrar at the wedding in 1838 and Pierre's mother is "Cyrar" on his baptism about 10 months later.

I have no idea where they get Franck.

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From: Fran LaChance <>
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Subject: Re: [Q-R] Francoise illegitime and Vennance Latour dit Forget m 1838


Here's a slim possibility:
Francoise (illegitimate) b 08 Sep 1818, bp same day at L'Assomption. Godfather Antoine Picard & Angelique Deslande {? - hard to read} Ancestry: L'Assomption 1818 image 23

Perhaps those names I saw were Picard as the P's in those days were strange looking.

Fran


The Future is as Great as the Promises of God

On 20/02/2012 1:15 PM, Fran LaChance wrote:
Jesse;
On Pierre's baptism in 1839 at Lavaltrie mother's name is Francoise Cignas {no way do I
ee Pepin or Lachance - perhaps someone else will see differently}
ttp://search.ancestry.ca/browse/view.aspx?dbid=1091&iid=d1p_001101136&pid=3069363&ssrc=&fn=Pierre&ln=Latour&st=g
On Marie's baptism in 1841 there is no surname for Francoise.
On Moise's baptism in 1843 mother's name is Francoise - either Girand/Girard or
irand/Cirard. Again, no sign of Pepin or Lachance
ttp://search.ancestry.ca/browse/view.aspx?dbid=1091&iid=d1p_001101227&pid=719269&ssrc=&fn=Maise&ln=Latour&st=g
avaltrie 1842 image 18
So, unless all those online people have a better source I would not name her Pepin dit
achance.
Fran
The Future is as Great as the Promises of God
n 20/02/2012 11:49 AM, wrote:

Hello everyone,
I just joined the research group. I'm stuck on my ancestors Vennance Latour dit Forget and Francoise. Here is a transcript MABeldin posted on Ancestry's board for me:
M6
enance Latour dit Forget
t
rançoise illegitime
Le dix sept juillet mil huit cent trente huit après la publication de trois bans de mariage faite au ... de la messe paroisse entre Venance Latour dit Forget journalier en cette paroisse fils mineur de Jean Baptiste Latour dit Forget et de Josephte Huppe dite Lacroix ses père et mère de la paroisse de Lanoraie d’une parte et Françoise mineure illegitime residente en cette paroisse, ... publication ayant ete faite en la paroisse de Lanoraie; ne s’etant decouvrent aucun empechement au dit mariage, nous soussigne cure de cette paroisse avons recu du consentement de leur parents leur mutuel consentement de mariage en presence Salmon ...., Francois Beaudry, temoins, de Jean Baptiste Latour dit Forget, pere de l’epoux, de Louis Latour dit Forget, frere qui tous ainsi que les epoux n’ont su signer un mot effacement
Here is the link to where one copy is: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11065-139609-15?cc=1321742&wc=6435132
Does anyone know how to interpret the "illigitime" part of the record? The record from Ancestry says "Francoise illigitime minuere residente" but FamilySearch's says "Francoise minuere illigitime residente." Does this mean Francoise is illegitimate or her residence in the parish is the illegitimate part?
The next question is how would you search for information on her? Vennance and Francoise had about 11 children and their baptismal records say what looks like "Pepin" and a family tree I saw online said "Pepin Lachance." Then there is the matter of when she was born. All I can really confirm is she is from Canada. A newspaper clipping from 1907 says she was 93 but that I do not know. I have US Census records for them and the most consistent thing is she is about 1 year older than her husband and he was born in 1819. Additionally, the 1900 US Census says "Oct 1818."
Would it be a simple matter of looking on Ancestry for anyone named Francoise Pepin born around 1818 and seeing if they are the product of an illegitime union? ha ha
Sincerely,

Jesse Plante
iceville, Florida
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