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From: "phil compeau" <>
Subject: Re: [Q-R] QUEBEC-RESEARCH Digest, Vol 6, Issue 370
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 07:11:54 -0400
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Bill- I can help. I'm in Dexter and could drive down most any day. Let me
know-
Phil
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> 1. Jean Pain dit L'Anglois (Reen Carter)
> 2. Re: Jean Pain dit L'Anglois ()
> 3. Re: Jean Pain dit L'Anglois ()
> 4. wedding reg. Frederick Wagner & Louise Picard Montreal
> (Sheila Lafleur)
> 5. Cemetery worker accused of prying guitar from hands of corpse
> ()
> 6. Rejection at Border Crossing ()
> 7. Re: wedding reg. Frederick Wagner & Louise Picard Montreal
> (Renee Cummings)
> 8. ALL ()
> 9. Re: Rejection at Border Crossing (Doreen O')
> 10. AUBUCHON - c 1775 Berthier (Pam Tessier)
> 11. Q-R] Cemetery worker accused of prying guitar from hands of
> corpse (from S-J)
> 12. Re: wedding reg. Frederick Wagner & Louise Picard Montreal
> (Paul Keroack)
> 13. RE?: AUBUCHON - c 1775 Berthier (Desjardins Bertrand)
> 14. Re: Jean Pain dit L'Anglois (Reen Carter)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 02:28:56 -0700
> From: Reen Carter <>
> Subject: [Q-R] Jean Pain dit L'Anglois
> To:
> Message-ID:
> <CAM+>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Good morning everyone,
>
> I've hit a brick wall trying to find documentation for Jean Pain dit
> Langlois, b. 1708 Salem, MA, d. 22 May 1758, St Roch Des Aulnaies, Lislet,
> Quebec. I may have found his death record in Drouin on Ancestry but cannot
> find any documentation for his birth in Salem. That very well may be
> because
> he wasn't born there, but I just can't find anything for his birth other
> than undocumented references. I found a record in Drouin that I believe is
> his marriage to Marie Joseph Brisson on Feb 3, 1732.
>
> If anyone can help me find documentation for this line I would be very
> grateful.
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
> Maureen
> <http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/UploadPhoto.aspx?tid=11776719&pid=12185231924&pri=1&mrgIgn=1&pg=32768&pgPL=pid>;
>
> ________________________
> ***
> *
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:19:11 -0400 (EDT)
> From:
> Subject: Re: [Q-R] Jean Pain dit L'Anglois
> To: ,
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi Maureen,
>
> According to the red Drouin record for his marriage to Josephe Brisson,
> he
> was the son of Jean Pain and Marie Harvey of England. Perhaps his birth
> record is in England or New England under the name John Pain.
>
> Jackie Hostage
>
> In a message dated 9/28/2011 5:30:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
> Good morning everyone,
>
> I've hit a brick wall trying to find documentation for Jean Pain dit
> Langlois, b. 1708 Salem, MA, d. 22 May 1758, St Roch Des Aulnaies,
> Lislet,
> Quebec. I may have found his death record in Drouin on Ancestry but
> cannot
> find any documentation for his birth in Salem. That very well may be
> because
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 08:25:01 -0400 (EDT)
> From:
> Subject: Re: [Q-R] Jean Pain dit L'Anglois
> To: ,
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Maureen,
>
> according to the marriage record, Jean Pain's parents were Jean Pain &
> Marie Harvey
>
> vital records of Salem, Ma >
> John Pain & Abigail Harney were married 27 Jun 1705
> note on "Harney" see "Harvey" as well
>
> son John was born 21 July 1706
>
> PS you have "dit L'Anglois" with an "o" , I would venture to say it
> should be "dit l"Anglais" with an "a"....meaning "the English(man)"
>
> other children:
> * Abigail, d. John and Abigaill (Harney), Dec. 12, 1712
> * Francis, s. John and Abigail (Harney), June 2, 1718
> * Henry, s. John and Abigail (Harney), Dec. 20, 1710
> * John, s. John and Abigail (Harney), July 21, 1706
> * Jonathan, s. John and Abigail (Harney), Apr. 3, 1714
> * Mary, d. John and Abigail (Harney), May 21, 1708
> * Sarah, d. John and Abigail (Harney), Apr. 1, 1716
> Don
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/28/2011 5:30:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> writes:
>
> Good morning everyone,
>
> I've hit a brick wall trying to find documentation for Jean Pain dit
> Langlois, b. 1708 Salem, MA, d. 22 May 1758, St Roch Des Aulnaies,
> Lislet,
> Quebec. I may have found his death record in Drouin on Ancestry but
> cannot
> find any documentation for his birth in Salem. That very well may be
> because
> he wasn't born there, but I just can't find anything for his birth other
> than undocumented references. I found a record in Drouin that I believe
> is
> his marriage to Marie Joseph Brisson on Feb 3, 1732.
>
> If anyone can help me find documentation for this line I would be very
> grateful.
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
> Maureen
> <http://trees.ancestry.com/pt/UploadPhoto.aspx?tid=11776719&pid=12185231924&;
> pri=1&mrgIgn=1&pg=32768&pgPL=pid>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 13:33:20 -0400
> From: Sheila Lafleur <>
> Subject: [Q-R] wedding reg. Frederick Wagner & Louise Picard Montreal
> To: <>
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi list
>
> I wonder if SKS could get me the wedding registration for Frederick Wagner
> and Louise Picard 1787 Montreal Protestant records.
>
> Thank you kindly
>
> Sheila Stewart-Lafleur
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:07:34 -0400 (EDT)
> From:
> Subject: [Q-R] Cemetery worker accused of prying guitar from hands of
> corpse
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> Cemetery worker accused of prying guitar from hands of corps.
> A Wisconsin cemetery groundskeeper is charged with _prying an expensive
> Fender Telecaster guitar from the hands of a corpse_
> (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20110927/GPG0101/109270473/Cemetery-employee-charged-stea
> ling-guitar-from-casket?odyssey=tab|topnews|img|FRONTPAGE) because he
> allegedly thought the instrument was too valuable to end up inside a
> crypt, the
> Green Bay Press-Gazette reports.
>
> Steven Conard, 39, has been charged with stealing the $2,000 guitar from
> the coffin of Randall Jourdan, who died last week at age 67.
> In fact, the newspaper reports, family members say Jourdan's fingers had
> been wrapped around the headstock of the custom-made Fender as he lay in
> his
> coffin.
> "It was his one wish to have it with him," says Shirley Schuyler,
> Jourdan's
> live-in girlfriend. "Whether he said it jokingly or not, he always said
> it, and that's what we tried to do."
> According to Press-Gazette correspondent Paul Srubas, prosecutors charge
> that the prospect of sending the guitar away for eternity was too much
> for
> Conard, grounds superintendent at the Allouez Catholic Cemetery and Chapel
> Mausleum.
> Funeral home employees verified that the guitar was in place when they
> delivered the body for final placement into the crypt by the cemetery.
> A diocese employee became suspicious after overhearing Conard saying,
> "That's a Telly, a really expensive guitar. I have to have that guitar.
> It's too
> expensive to be in a crypt."
> Police later found the musical instrument at his house.
> After his arrest, the newspaper reports, Conard allegedly said, "This
> isn't
> something I normally do. I just have a respect for fine musical
> instruments."
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:50:06 -0400 (EDT)
> From:
> Subject: [Q-R] Rejection at Border Crossing
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
>
> Hi
>
> Was just browsing the Border Crossings for relatives when I noticed one in
> May 1913 being listed on a
> rejection list for the month of May in Sarnia, ON. She was on a train
> from Port Huron, MI.
>
> Does this really mean she was NOT allowed to return to the country of her
> birth?
> Would anyone have any idea as to why that could/would happen ? Best
> estimate
> is that she was going to visit her son who had returned to Canada and was
> living in Sarnia.
>
> Linnie
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:53:03 -0400
> From: "Renee Cummings" <>
> Subject: Re: [Q-R] wedding reg. Frederick Wagner & Louise Picard
> Montreal
> To: "'Sheila Lafleur'" <>,
> <>
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Sheila
> I`m sending you the record from Ancestry separately, but it has even less
> info that this, but I have this in my FTM
> Good luck
> Renee
> Union 1787-08-20 Montr?al (Protestants) WAGNER FREDERIC & PICARD
> MARIE-LOUISE PRDH
> s/o??
> d/o Union 1767-04-27 Montr?al PICARD JEAN-BAPTISTE & BONNERON-DUMAINE
> MARIE-RENEE PRDH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Sheila Lafleur
> Sent: September-28-11 1:33 PM
> To:
> Subject: [Q-R] wedding reg. Frederick Wagner & Louise Picard Montreal
>
> Hi list
>
> I wonder if SKS could get me the wedding registration for Frederick Wagner
> and Louise Picard 1787 Montreal Protestant records.
>
> Thank you kindly
>
> Sheila Stewart-Lafleur
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:53:46 -0400 (EDT)
> From:
> Subject: [Q-R] ALL
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hi
>
> This is intended for people in Central N.Y. I need some computer help and
> cant get it.
> For all of you who receive my photos,(cemetery) many have asked if I have
> stopped sending them the past few months? Yes, but only temporarily.< I
> hope. Until I get someone to come here and help set up a better way of
> sending
> photos to you. I know the procedure works, as others use it. But no one
> seems to be able to tell me how to get it set up on my machine. Please
> don't
> send written details on how to do it, I've already lost my patience with
> trying to follow your instructions on my machine.
> One came here and set if up in front of me a few months back and it worked
> once, but at the same time completely erased my address book.It took me 3
> weeks to get my address book refilled again. Needless to say I don't want
> that procedure again.
> Must be someone out there around Liverpool, N.Y. who could help?
> I want to press one button to send out a mass mailing, "send to" & "copy
> to"..................with an attachment of a photo.
> I have well over 60 people I send the photos and Cemetery reports to
> other than those on the Quebec list. I'm really sick and tired of
> addressing all
> to the same mailing 60+ odd times for each mailing.
>
> Best
> Bill
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:27:44 +0000
> From: "Doreen O'" <>
> Subject: Re: [Q-R] Rejection at Border Crossing
> To: <>, Que-Res <>
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> It happens.
>
> My husband, child and I were refused re-entry into Canada in 1964 at a
> WA/BC border; spouse was US Citizen, child was born in USA and I had all
> the appropriate documents to prove I was a Canadian citizen plus an
> itemized list of contents of Uhaul. However, knowing we would return to
> Canada we had previously written to Ottawa requesting instructions as to
> how my husband would apply for a work visa etc. to which we received a
> reply. Unfortunately we did not have that letter from Ottawa in our hot
> little hands so were refused entry.... and the official didn't think we
> had enough money to drive across Canada either and told us to get more.
>
> To cut to the chase: we took apart U-Haul looking for letter and husband
> wired home for additional funds. Never found the letter but returned next
> day to be waived through by another official who wasn't the least
> concerned about that letter or our finances just "enjoy your trip". I
> think that first official was just hungry and crabby as it was nearly
> dinner hour.
>
> Cheers!
> Doreen
> ======
>
>
>> To:
>> From:
>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:50:06 -0400
>> Subject: [Q-R] Rejection at Border Crossing
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> Was just browsing the Border Crossings for relatives when I noticed one
>> in May 1913 being listed on a
>> rejection list for the month of May in Sarnia, ON. She was on a train
>> from Port Huron, MI.
>>
>> Does this really mean she was NOT allowed to return to the country of her
>> birth?
>> Would anyone have any idea as to why that could/would happen ? Best
>> estimate
>> is that she was going to visit her son who had returned to Canada and was
>> living in Sarnia.
>>
>> Linnie
>>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:54:47 -0400
> From: Pam Tessier <>
> Subject: [Q-R] AUBUCHON - c 1775 Berthier
> To:
> Message-ID: <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed
>
> According to the PRDH family #42752:
>
> Francois AUBUCHON and Marie Catherine BERTHIUAME had 7 children, 4 of
> whom were sons.
> Charles Francois - b1767
> Jean Baptiste - b1770, m1793
> Joseph - b1776, d1776
> Alexis - 1780, d1784
>
> I have a marriage record (Drouin, Berthierville, Ste-Genevieve, 1804
> image 33/41) which states that Joseph AUBUCHON, son of major age of
> Francois Aubuchon and Catherine Berthiaume married Judith Petit on 29
> October 1804. This likely makes him born before 1783. His burial entry
> states he died in 1845 at age 70 years making his birth year about 1775.
>
> I've checked every source (PRDH, BMS2000, Drouin, transcriptions etc. )
> I can think of without any luck. He could be Charles Francois but I
> would like proof as there is an 8 year age difference.
>
> If anyone is distant kin of this fellow, I'd certainly appreciate a
> birth date or any direction or ideas.
>
> Pam
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:25:55 -0400
> From: "from S-J" <>
> Subject: [Q-R] Q-R] Cemetery worker accused of prying guitar from
> hands of corpse
> To: "Bill Fleming" <>
> Cc:
> Message-ID: <C2F00E9EFFF8407B9997AFC1B98E4B51@SJ>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> obviously he didn't have any respect for the corpse or the man's loved
> ones -- too sad
> Shirley-Jean
>
> "This isn't
> something I normally do. I just have a respect for fine musical
> instruments."
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:52:29 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Paul Keroack <>
> Subject: Re: [Q-R] wedding reg. Frederick Wagner & Louise Picard
> Montreal
> To: Renee Cummings <>
> Cc: Quebec-research <>
> Message-ID:
> <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I was once able to find the parentage of a French partner in a Protestant
> marriage by identifying her relative who was a witness.?If the Ancestry
> image includes witnesses, it may be worth investigating whether any had a
> connection to her family.
>
> Not sure but I read somewhere that PRDH did not include witnesses in their
> extractions of? marriages later in the 1700s unless they were identified
> as a family member - but the Protestant witnesses were seldom?so
> identified.
> ?
> Paul Keroack
> ???
> --- On Wed, 9/28/11, Renee Cummings <> wrote:
>
>
> From: Renee Cummings <>
> Subject: Re: [Q-R] wedding reg. Frederick Wagner & Louise Picard Montreal
> To: "'Sheila Lafleur'" <>,
>
> Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2011, 3:53 PM
>
>
> Hi Sheila
> I`m sending you the record from Ancestry separately, but it has even less
> info that this, but I have this in my FTM
> Good luck
> Renee
> Union 1787-08-20 Montr?al (Protestants) WAGNER? FREDERIC &? PICARD
> MARIE-LOUISE???PRDH
> s/o??
> d/o? Union 1767-04-27 Montr?al PICARD JEAN-BAPTISTE &? BONNERON-DUMAINE
> MARIE-RENEE? ? PRDH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [mailto:] On Behalf Of Sheila Lafleur
> Sent: September-28-11 1:33 PM
> To:
> Subject: [Q-R] wedding reg. Frederick Wagner & Louise Picard Montreal
>
> Hi list
>
> I wonder if SKS could get me the wedding registration for Frederick Wagner
> and Louise Picard? 1787? Montreal Protestant records.
>
> Thank you kindly
>
> Sheila Stewart-Lafleur
>
>
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> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 19:56:27 -0400
> From: "Desjardins Bertrand" <>
> Subject: [Q-R] RE?: AUBUCHON - c 1775 Berthier
> To: "Pam Tessier" <>,
> <>
> Message-ID:
> <>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> It happens some records did not reach us. Here,m there is a four year gap
> between the births of Joseph and Alexis, which is ?not normal? in the
> context where people did not practice contraception. My bet is that Joseph
> was born in 1778, the parents repeating the given name of their previous
> son who died an infant.
>
> Bertrand Desjardins
>
>
> -------- Message d'origine--------
> De: de la part de Pam Tessier
> Date: mer. 2011-09-28 16:54
> ?:
> Objet : [Q-R] AUBUCHON - c 1775 Berthier
>
> According to the PRDH family #42752:
>
> Francois AUBUCHON and Marie Catherine BERTHIUAME had 7 children, 4 of
> whom were sons.
> Charles Francois - b1767
> Jean Baptiste - b1770, m1793
> Joseph - b1776, d1776
> Alexis - 1780, d1784
>
> I have a marriage record (Drouin, Berthierville, Ste-Genevieve, 1804
> image 33/41) which states that Joseph AUBUCHON, son of major age of
> Francois Aubuchon and Catherine Berthiaume married Judith Petit on 29
> October 1804. This likely makes him born before 1783. His burial entry
> states he died in 1845 at age 70 years making his birth year about 1775.
>
> I've checked every source (PRDH, BMS2000, Drouin, transcriptions etc. )
> I can think of without any luck. He could be Charles Francois but I
> would like proof as there is an 8 year age difference.
>
> If anyone is distant kin of this fellow, I'd certainly appreciate a
> birth date or any direction or ideas.
>
> Pam
>
>
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 17:34:44 -0700
> From: Reen Carter <>
> Subject: Re: [Q-R] Jean Pain dit L'Anglois
> To:
> Cc:
> Message-ID:
> <CAM+Mh7Vpo05EeXUD+gEthVL=Yx=8GR9uYXmNPy2_=>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Thank you, Jackie. I reread the Drouin record for the marriage of Jean
> Baptiste Pain to Marie Joseph brisson, and I can see the note regarding
> Jean
> Baptiste's parents, Jean Pain and Marie Harvey [Herv??], but I don't read
> anything that connects them directly to Salem. Perhaps it's my very poor
> French and/or the old copy.
>
> Maybe if you could translate it or tell me where it is mentioned I could
> take another look. Or what prompts the jump from St Roch to Salem? I would
> like to make that connection if it is there. Do we have anything that
> corroborates this aside from the dates and similar names?
>
> Thank you!
>
> Maureen*
> *
> ________________________
> *
> *
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 5:19 AM, <> wrote:
>
>> Hi Maureen,
>>
>> According to the red Drouin record for his marriage to Josephe Brisson,
>> he
>> was the son of Jean Pain and Marie Harvey of England. Perhaps his birth
>> record is in England or New England under the name John Pain.
>>
>> Jackie Hostage
>>
>> In a message dated 9/28/2011 5:30:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> writes:
>> Good morning everyone,
>>
>> I've hit a brick wall trying to find documentation for Jean Pain dit
>> Langlois, b. 1708 Salem, MA, d. 22 May 1758, St Roch Des Aulnaies,
>> Lislet,
>> Quebec. I may have found his death record in Drouin on Ancestry but
>> cannot
>> find any documentation for his birth in Salem. That very well may be
>> because
>>
>>
>
>
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