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From: Mona Andrée Rainville <>
Subject: Re: [Q-R] BMS from Champlain, QC between 1802 and 1806
Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2010 10:14:38 -0400
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Thank you,

It would seem that more than the last sentence of what your lister has
sent you was added to the original text. The text that appears in the
paragraph you now mention is the text I cited integrally in my answer to
Nicole, yesterday.

Both of Mr. Cloutier's volumes on the parish of Champlain can be viewed
on-line, free of charge, on the Our Roots website.

I was simply curious to learn if a subsequent edition had been printed,
since it seems highly unlikely that Mr. Cloutier could have foreseen
events which took place in 1985, and even less likely that he wrote
about them in 1915.

Chanoine Cloutier was the parish priest of Champlain and he dedicated
his books to his parishioners.

Much of my family lived in Champlain during those years, before, and
beyond. One of the immediate effect of Bishop Denault's decision was to
force many Champlain residents to seek elsewhere the solace of
religion. Some did go to Batiscan. A lesser amount went to Cap de la
Madeleine. But many turned to the protestant missions that were setting
up in the region at the time.

Well, better go get all those Easter eggs hiding out in the garden
before they melt!

Cheers,

Mona

Fr John L wrote:
> Except for the last sentence «Donc durant quatre ans, il n'y eut pas
> de culte à Champlain, et aucun enregistrement que ce soit, c'est à
> Batiscan qu'on célébrait baptêmes, mariages et séputures.» the
> original French text is found in L'Histoire de la paroisse de
> Champlain, par Prosper Cloutier, tome II, p. 263). I presume that the
> final sentence was added by the Lister who asked me to translate that
> paragraph of Cloutier's work.
>
> Fr John L
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mona Andrée Rainville <>
> To: Fr John L <>
> Cc: ;
> Sent: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 9:10 am
> Subject: Re: [Q-R] BMS from Champlain, QC between 1802 and 1806
>
> Would you kindly provide the source of the paragraph you have thus
> translated. It is not contained in Cloutier's history of Champlain,
> which was written and published in 1915, and seems to be at odds with
> the information that is contained in the book.
>
> Thank you and Happy Easter,
>
> Mona
>
> Fr John L wrote:
> > Yesterday, Nicole raised this question: Where did the people of
> Champlain worship and receive the sacraments, and where were the
> records kept, from the time of the fire until the new church was
> completed? Since then, several posters have made references to Prosper
> Cloutier's, "L'Histoire de la paroisse de Champlain". While I was
> otherwise occupied late yesterday afternoon, I was sent the text of
> the pertinent paragraph, and asked to translate it into English. >
> > » » For more than 300 years the records of the civil status of
> successive generations of the people of Champlain have been preserved.
> Thanks to a grant from the Federal Government, the parish council has
> enlisted seven individuals who have been transcribing the records of
> every baptism, marriage, and burial from October 1, 1679 to December
> 31, 1985. However, from 1803 to November 1,1806, not a single baptism,
> marriage, or burial occurred in Champlain, since the church built
> along the river in lower Champlain (facing the residence of Gilles
> Leblanc at 1313 rue Notre Dame) was closed at the order of the Bishop,
> since it was in danger of collapse. It was necessary to build a new
> church, the third. But the parishioners could not reach agreement on
> the site: the folks from the lower town wanted the church to be built
> on high ground, near the location of the monument to the Sacred Heart.
> Because of the deep and bitter disagreement among the people, the
> parish priest was removed, and Monseigneur Denault, coadjutor to
> Monseigneur Plessis, Bishop of Quebec, on December 24, 1802, wrote
> this message to the pastor of Batiscan: "Until a new church and
> presbytery are built, you will no longer celebrate Mass in the church
> ... the residents will attend Mass in Batiscan, and bring their
> children to be baptized and their dead to be buried there..." So, for
> four years, there were no church services in Champlain, and no
> registers were kept there; all baptisms, marriages, and burials took
> place in Batiscan. « «
> >
> > Fr John L
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nicole DESCOTTES <
> <mailto:>>
> > To: Quebec Research <
> <mailto:>>
> > Sent: Sat, Apr 3, 2010 4:41 pm
> > Subject: [Q-R] BMS from Champlain, QC between 1802 and 1806
> >
> >
> >
> > alling all genealogy angels,
> > > While doing some searches in the microfilms of Champlain, QC, I
> noticed in the > aragraph that the church was ruined (by a fire?)
> around 1802 and that a new > hurch was erected in late 1806. Where
> were the people baptised, marriages and > eath records kept during the
> time that the church was being built? Were the BMS > one & kept in
> another parish?
> > > >From Nicole Descottes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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