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Subject: Re: [Q-R]Marie Anne CHRISTIANSEN wife of Moïse DUPUY [was Translation Please]
Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 23:36:11 -0500
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I certainly do not and anyone who has been following this discussion to be confused. II am sure that there are no official documents on which the name of the future wife of Moise Dupuis would have been recorded as Annetje Christiaansdochter. At her christening her name would have been recorded in the usual manner (in Nederlands, not in English): Annetje, daughter of Christian Christiaanszoon (with or without abbreviation) and Marijke Wilbrants. The same would hold, of course, at her marriage. So, if you try to search for her under that name, you won't find her. But, according to the custom of the peoples of the Low Countries (then and now), in the meantime, she would have been known as Annetje Christiaansdochter, which is "Annette, Christian's daughter", or "Annette, fille de Christian" en de Nederlandse taal (in the language of the Low Countries -- dans la langue des Pays Bas).
As for myself, I am not descended from Moïse Dupuis, but I count his brother Louis (Marguerite Roy) and his sister Marie Anne (Pierre Biron) among my forebears.
But, if you want proof that "you can choose your friends, but you can't choose your relatives", consider these genealogical data:
James Madison, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Gerald Ford, George HW Bush, George W Bush, Richard Bruce Cheney, and Sarah Heath Palin have a cousin in the White House: Barack Hussein Obama. Maybe it IS in the blood!
In a message dated 11/08/09 22:03:53 Eastern Standard Time, writes:
Very funny! but moot.
Before any of the nice folks who are trying to follow this discussion become utterly confused, it is only fair to state that Annetje was never called CHRISTIANNSDOCHTER or any other such derivative, in any document ever found.
So if you try to search for her under that name, you won't find her.
>From CHRISTIAANSZ, rendered as CHRISTIANSEN in some documents, and as CHRISTANCIEN in one 1702 (Coleman, T1:124) document, her name generally became CHRISTIANE sometime after she and Moise DUPUY moved from Albany to Laprairie. CHRISTIANE is the name she was baptized with in 1699, and ultimately buried with on the 20th February 1750.
There is an interesting article about this family here: http://www.familyorigins.com/users/m/o/r/Carrie-Marie-Moran/FAMO1-0001/d253.htm
It offers a plausible explanation for the Anna "half-black" which appears in 1697 to be the mother to a son of Moïse DUPUY.
I am particularly interested by this DUPUY family because of their direct relation to my RAINVILLE and the start of the Métis community known as the Bois-Brulés.
Thank you for pointing out the spelling error, Mona. Annetje's surname would have been CHRISTIAANSDOCHTER, not CHRISTIANSDOTTER.
In a message dated 11/08/09 18:57:22 Eastern Standard Time, writes:
The were Dutch, not Danish.