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From: Mona Rainville <>
Subject: Re: [Q-R] GOUIN dit CHAMPAGNE
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:10:18 -0400
Thank you Jackie,
Yes, I know those Sorel records are missing, as I have worked with the
original records. I also have seen the marriage contract dated November
25, 1703 (Parchemin: 17031125PA018527). That is why I am disputing
Jan's claims that this couple was married on February 1st 1703, in
Sorel. As far as I have seen, Sébastien GOUEN and Louuise de RAINVILLE
were married on December 1st, 1703, in Montreal.
The issue I was raising, and which seems to have got lost in the
confusion, is that in the marriage contract of Daniel GOUIN with Marie
Magdeleine LE VALOIS, dated April 26th, 1735, he is said to be
represented by his mother described as "Marie Louise de Rainville, veuve
de Bastien Gouen" (sic).
Now, we all know that Marie Louise de RAINVILLE was long dead by then,
and so was her sister Elisabeth. So, who is this person?
Then, I have Daniel's parents described as Elisabeth de RAINVILLE and
Jean-Baptiste GOUIN, in the parish record of Ile-Dupas. A simple mistake
in identity? Perhaps. But it could also be the persons who raised him.
We have pretty much excluded the possibility of there being two Daniel
Finally, when Pierre Amable GOUIN, son of Daniel, married Anne Céleste
de RAINVILLE, on January 28th, 1771, their consanguinity was said to be
to the 3rd and 4th degree and required them to obtain a dispensation.
Pierre Amable GOUIN, son of Daniel GOUIN, son of Sébastien GOUIN and
Marie-Louise de RAINVILLE, daughter of Jean de RAINVILLE and Elisabeth
de la GUERIPIERE. That's 3 degrees, right?
But look at the bride's side:
Anne Céleste de RAINVILLE, dau. of Pierre Ignace de RAINVILLE, son of
René de RAINVILLE, son of Jean de RAINVILLE and Elisabeth de la
GUERIPIÈRE. That is also 3 degrees.
So where is the 4th degree?
Mona...who believes that it is when things start to seem the most
obvious that one should be the most vigilant...
> Hi Libby,
> All the data that I have supports what you say but I was particularly
> impressed with your logic -- makes sense to me!
> Jackie Hostage
> See what's free at AOL.com
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