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From: Mona Rainville <>
Subject: Re: [Q-R] GOUIN dit CHAMPAGNE
Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:46:13 -0400
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Hi Jan, Jackie, et bonsoir Bertrand,

This question came up on this list last August, and I have since double
checked the following:

The Daniel GOUIN who marries Marie Madeleine LE VALOIS is NOT the
brother of Jean-Baptiste GOUIN (son of Sébastien GOUIN and Louise de
RAINVILLE). But rather he is the son of that same Jean-Baptiste GOUIN
and his wife Elisabeth de RAINVILLE. (Source: RP de La Visitation de
l'Ile Dupas)

Secondly, Daniel GOUIN and Marie Madeleine LE VALOIS had a son called
Pierre Amable GOUIN who decided to keep it in the family, so to speak,
and chose as his bride Anne Céleste de RAINVILLE. This gave rise to a
request for a dispensation, which was granted to them for the 4th and
3rd degree, the common ancestors being Jean de RAINVILLE and Elizabeth
de la GUERIPIÈRE who were Pierre Amable's great-great-grand-parents (4th
degree of consanguinity) and Anne Célestes great-grand-parents (3rd
degree of consanguitiy). (Source: same as above)

Now the Kaskaskia bunch...

Jan, Sébastien GOUIN dit CHAMPAGNE is sometimes called Bastien which is
a usual diminutive of Sébastien. But he is not called Jean-Baptiste
GOUIN dit CHAMPAGNE. Those are his son and grand-son(s). In any case, he
was already long dead by 1730/33.

When you say you found the two Jean-Baptiste GOUIN in Kaskaskia, are you
referring to an original document?

As for poor ol'Louise de RAINVILLE, if you recall our exchanges of last
Summer, there was a question of her having attended to the marriage
contract of her "son" Daniel GOUIN, in 1735, in Montreal, which put her
year of death in question. The marriage contract does state Louise de
RAINVILLE. It is now obvious that the person in attendance was in fact
Elisabeth de RAINVILLE, who was truly this Daniel GOUIN's mother, and
who, for all we know, could very well have been know as Louise, barring
a possible mistake by the notary.

Cheers,

Mona Andrée RAINVILLE


wrote:
> Hi Bertrand and Jan,
>
> I have some interest in this family with a connection to Sebastien GOUIN
> whose son, Jean-Baptiste m. Marie-Josephe LACROIX (per the PRDH "before 29 Feb
> 1756; per the Kaskaskia site, 07 Apr 1752"). I'm guessing that the before 1756
> date reflects the death of Jean-Baptiste since Marie-Josephe remarried in
> 1756 at Cahokia.
>
> I wonder if the confusion stems from the marriage record (PRDH Cert. #
> 176105) for Jean-Baptiste's brother, Daniel, which lists his parents as
> Jean-Baptiste and Elisabeth DERAINVILLE. All other records relating to that marriage
> list his parents as Sebastien and Marie-Lousie RAINVILLE. (Elisabeth was
> Marie-Louise RAINVILLE's mother's name.)
>
> The certificates reflect the information on the original document but
> further investigation often shows that the priest recorded or was given the wrong
> information.
>
> I suspect there was only Jean-Baptiste GOUINm. to a Marie-Josephe LACROIX
>
> Jan, let me know if you would like to compare files/data.
>
> Jackie Hostage
>
>

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